Questbridge Scholarship - 2008

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Further, before brandishing the trite asian discrimination banner, you might want to look at the difference between absolute and percentage numbers. How does the 13% and 32% compare to their proportion of the US population? </p>

<p>What about the white population Xiggi? It would be really nice if the scholarship was based on real accomplishment, not color. That would be truly wonderful. And yes, there should be factors taken into consideration for adversity or going to a not so great school. But is this usually the case? I do not think QB has much control over this. They are relying on the colleges to make the choices for who they want, and this is generally to satisfy their need to not look white and therfore avoid criticism from the Times. It is great for the students who get the prize. If that is what it takes to make the colleges diverse, it is probably worth it. I just hope we can police ourselves enough to be honest in the process.</p>

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<p>To people who find a way to criticize a program such as Questbrdige, I only have one thing to say: “Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, not his or her own facts.”</p>

<p>Yeah, individual schools DEFINITELY have different standards. like Princeton, it never asked you for any financial documents, which makes me wonder if Pton evaluate QB applicants more merit-based than need-based??</p>

<p>xiggi, I do not want to say that color doesn’t play any factor into the equation. Of course, schools are always looking for ways to promote their diversity. Why else would they even cite statistics on it?</p>

<p>But the belief that colleges base an entire decision making process on Race is unfounded as well. MERIT obviously plays the largest role in this, and those who say otherwise are probably venting their anger in any way they can.</p>

<p>I got into Yale. I am an Asian Male, which I hear is the hardest demographic group to compete in, along with White Males. I believe that my personal essay and teacher recs was the deciding factor in acceptance; I’ve seen smarter kids in my school not get into any private schools.
And in case you didn’t know, academic scores do not make up the entire composition of a person. It’s a shame that there isn’t a quantitative way to measure character, because guess what? To succeed today, you can’t just be book smarts. You have to have confidence and social prowess as well. Stop citing quantitative statistics and assuming things that aren’t there.
Lower income students may average lower scores, but their character and life experiences more than make up for that.</p>

<p>BTW, for EFC I put $500, so that dispels the rumor that’s been floating around.</p>

<p>An update on the list:</p>

<p>Amherst-4
Bowdoin-?
U of Chicago-29
Claremont McKenna-?
Columbia-10
Emory-11
Notre Dame-12
Oberlin-5
Pomona-12
Princeton-22
Rice-3
Scripps-5
Stanford-16
Swarthmore-6
Trinity-12
Vassar-10
Wellesley-3
Wheaton-?
Williams-4
Yale-19</p>

<p>I corrected Stanford’s number. I believe the poster in QuestBridge stated where the 8 “other” people were, bringing the total to 16.</p>

<p>Halcykon, may I ask what do you mean by 8 “other” people matched w/ stanford???</p>

<p>I’d like to address some of the criticism being hurled at QB with my personal experiences…</p>

<p>In August, I received an email from QB inviting me to investigate the possibility of applying for a Match Scholarship. I was only vaguely familiar with QB (from a NYT article.) After doing a thorough job of researching on the QB website, I still questioned whether I was a viable candidate. </p>

<p>So, after some deliberation, I called the FinAid office of the top LAC that I was most interested in attending, and spoke with a Dean. He was kind, friendly, upbeat, and spoke quite candidly with me about the school’s commitment to both ethnic and socio-economic diversity. I explained my situation to him and he encouraged me to apply. He also gave me helpful advice about how to proceed. After that conversation, I decided to apply for the QB Match.</p>

<p>I am Caucasian (about as white as you can get, and I included the optional photo with my app.) I live in a nice suburb and attend a good school. I do, however, face some extraordinary financial and unusual personal obstacles. I am “high-achieving/low-income” from a single/disabled parent home. My stats are well above the posted averages. I’m taking 6 AP classes–all A’s & A+'s; I volunteer; I am politically active; I am involved in the performing arts; I belong to a few select clubs; I work part-time; and I have to help out at home–a lot. Obviously, some days are rough, and I don’t get much sleep. Still, I remain positive, and I always remind myself that there are others that are much worse off than I am. I don’t feel extraordinary, or think I’m superior, or entitled to anything.</p>

<p>So, I applied for the Match even though I did not truly believe that I would be chosen as a finalist, and certainly did not dream of being matched. (Only about 5% are actually matched—in admit-rate terms that is not encouraging.) I did think that it would give me “a leg up” in the ED and/or RD process, and I liked the QB App better than the Common App. And, I was already going to be applying to 6 of the LAC partner schools. </p>

<p>Imagine my surprise when I was notified of my finalist status, and subsequently of being matched. I thought it was a mistake. I did not believe that a white girl from the suburbs had any chance of being matched. Any assumptions that I made, any preconceived notions that I had went out the window that day. Honestly, deep down, at first, I felt as though I didn’t even have a right to be selected. I applaud those schools that give URM’s (as you call them) an opportunity to shine. I am, however, completely thrilled to be selected by such an amazing school. </p>

<p>I think it’s ignorant to say that a school is lowering its standards for URM’s. Amherst, for one, takes the position that a 1250 SAT student from a certain disadvantaged background would be a 1500 SAT student if transported to someplace like Greenwich, CT. Amherst looks for students who are doing the best they can with what they have to work with. Potential and character count. I think that’s admirable, not racist in the reverse.</p>

<p>As for me, I ranked 4 top LAC’s that I was already interested in. I also had an ED App submitted and waiting in the wings pending the outcome of the Match. Ultimately, I did not gain admission into my #1 choice, but rather into my #2. I had a brief moment of longing and loss for #1. I withdrew my ED App, and quickly embraced the exciting future that is before me. And, I soon learned that I was not the only “suburban white girl” that this LAC selected. Two white matches out of a small pool of matches may possibly dispel the anti-white myth, if you put faith in Statistics.</p>

<p>I think it is a mistake to offer gross generalizations about the QB Match. From reading the QB finalist forums, I could see that there was a lot of erroneous information being spread as gospel, creating confusion for people who did not seem willing or able to do the proper research. I read everything thoroughly, made charts, and double-checked anything ambiguous with the schools. I encountered no problems.</p>

<p>Also, making inferences and predictions based on such a small statistical sample, and with a short history, is iffy at best. I also don’t believe that 50 points on the SAT implies a far superior candidate. (The score range is already + or - 30 pts, after all.) Top 5% or 10% means nothing absent the context of the school profile. It’s easy to manipulate stats to support your case. Plus, you’re lumping Blacks, Hispanics, Native-Americans, Eskimos, and mixed race people all together. Are they all the same? What about Asians? Are Koreans and Vietnamese and Hmong and Chinese and Japanese and Thai all the same? What about South Asians? I think it’s distasteful to characterize people under some URM umbrella. And frankly, statistically speaking, the differences, percentage-wise, reported here, are, for the most part, negligible between the approximately 100 Matches and approximately 500 RD’s. </p>

<p>I also think people need to stop obsessing about their stats. This numbers-obsessed culture is destructive. We are not numbers. Stats play a minimal role in the process. People with 2300+ SAT’s are not auto-admits, nor are people with laundry lists of EC’s. </p>

<p>I took the SAT’s once. I spent little time in preparation. I set a minimum goal of 2100 and comfortably exceeded it, so I was not going to waste my precious time trying to squeeze out 50 or so more points to impress anyone. I took the minimum 2 SAT II’s. I did not take the ACT. I didn’t see the point. My EC’s are things I’ve being doing for a long time (before HS) without a thought to what colleges would think. Everything I do is interrelated and ties in with my long range goals. I have known what I wanted to do with my life for a long time. I have a unique perspective and some atypical aspirations.</p>

<p>QB clearly states that they are seeking individuals who are high-achieving in the context of their environment, and display a sincere altruism. I think this is why I was matched. I think my ethnicity had little, or nothing, to do with the decision. I don’t believe that any school sets out to select 2 Black, 2 Hispanic, 1 Native American, 1 Asian, and 1 White applicant. Or, 2 West Coast, 2 South, 2 Mid-West, and 1 East Coast applicant. I believe they select people based on fulfilling their particular mission, and by being moved and impressed by what they learn about an applicant. I think private institutions are well within their rights to determine what the correct fit is. I think the adcoms read the apps and the essays and show a preference for those that seem authentic, unique, wow them, and possibly bring a tear to their eye. That’s what I would do. The adcoms are human, and I’m sure they have visceral reactions to applicants. I think it’s only natural. I don’t believe there is any reverse-racism inherent in the process. I don’t believe anyone read my app and said "Oh, too bad she’s white, we can’t select her.” </p>

<p>QuestBridge does an admirable job of creating opportunity for low income students. It is up to the applicant to demonstrate and to convey his/her worthiness. (I wrote the three required essays and I used the additional info page for a fourth essay. I reworked and edited those essays multiple times over the course of a week. I put my all into it. My GC and teachers assured me that my recs were outstanding, as well. I did everything I could to portray myself wholly and accurately.) </p>

<p>Personally, apart from QB, if I was not matched, I was only going to apply to need blind LACs. I know, from researching, that FinAid packages at these schools are pretty great. The QB partners are amazing. There aren’t many other schools that are going to grant you $180,000 or so and give you so much support, as well. The partner schools should be commended for committing millions of dollars to help us achieve our goals. </p>

<p>QB exists to bridge the gap. It’s their mission, as their name implies. I hope the program expands, and that more schools agree to sign on as partners. Match status aside, I wholeheartedly endorse QB and the partner schools. </p>

<p>I wish everyone who was not matched the best in the RD round. Take heart; many of you will be successful. Do not despair, and do not be bitter. Negativity and feeling like the victim of a hoax is not going to bring good things to your life. You have to rise above. Believe in yourself and in the future. If you want it, you have to make it happen.</p>

<p>Thank you FleurDuMal, I have been disheartened by reading some of the posts on this thread lately. What Sheed30 started, and continued, and continued:), was for a very long time a place where all could come to get advice on apps, rec’s, transcript’s, etc. etc. It seems to have turned into something of a combination of a URM bashing and stats defending thread. One only has to go to the Questbridge Forum to see there were whites, asians, hispanic’s and blacks all admitted with scores from the 1800’s to the 2300’s. Not all 2300’s were the white/asian students and the 1800-1900’s the URM’s!
I was just curious, if your Father is black and did not raise you and your Mother is white and did, which ethnic group would you identify with? Would you think it right to identify yourself as a URM to get matched to Amherst or some other great school through Questbridge, especially when others rating schools had higher scores? Obviously, this strategy does work. Life is not fair, but it it is very irritating that it does work. I am curious to know what black QB finalists think of this strategy, especially those raised by a black parent or parents. </p>

<p>Also, would you feel good about this later in life, and be able to respect a white Mother who encouraged you to do this, or is all fair in love and college admissions?</p>

<p>Reflection’s 2007, I challenge you to go anywhere in America and point out a mixed race (hafl black, half white) person, and ask 100 random people what that person’s race is. There are people on these boards that are 1/4 hispanic, or 1/32 Native American that are claiming URM status. So your point in your post is what???</p>

<p>NOTE ON ABOVE POST: I was trying to quote post #1218 from Reflections2007, and it did not highlight, and when I went in to edit, got the “CC will be down for X minutes” and then I couldn’t edit when boards were again available.</p>

<p>I say just be happy you actually got the chance to be part of QuestBridge. IMO they have helped me a lot with my applications and I truly think that it’s a great program. It’s not even QB who chooses who becomes matched, it’s the colleges. Bash them all you want, but i say be happy!</p>

<p>FleurDuMal said </p>

<p>“I also had an ED App submitted and waiting in the wings pending the outcome of the Match. Ultimately, I did not gain admission into my #1 choice, but rather into my #2. I had a brief moment of longing and loss for #1. I withdrew my ED App”</p>

<p>(quotes not working for me)</p>

<p>FleurDuMal the rules stated you weren’t suppose to ED to any school during the Questbridge Match Process. You sound like your smart enough to have known what you were doing.</p>

<p>FDM, EXCELLENT post!</p>

<p>grtskt8:</p>

<p>I sent in an ED application to one of the partner schools in case I wasn’t matched. I contacted them first and they told me that they wanted the supplement in-house before the matches were announced. Also, if you look on the website–the RD chart for Finalists, you will see that is perfectly acceptable. You cannot apply ED to a non-QB school.</p>

<p>Where does it say that on the Questbridge site? Are you saying you contacted Questbridge or the school? I think someone posted a link somewhere back on this or another thread that said you couldn’t apply to any school (whether it was a partner or not) ED or even SCEA, EA. Besides if it’s Amherst, Claremont McKenna, Rice, Scripps, Williams all you had to do was notify them after the match decisions. In other words what you did was find a way to go around the process that everyone else followed (or most - cause who knows). You weren’t suppose to fill out any application to a partner school or non partner saying you applying ED. EA. SCEA. Oh and the supplement - well I submitted everything to other schools before matches but I didn’t put EA, ED or SCEA on the application which obvious you did otherwise you wouldn’t have to withdraw your ED - that is the reason Questbridge told us to submit the Common application as Regular. Whatever I find people that “game” admissions (whether through QB or any other method) distasteful and unethical. I’m not naive, life isn’t fair and I know it exists but it doesn’t mean I’m going to be all PC about it.</p>

<p>From the QB FAQ</p>

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<li>If I apply to the National College Match, can I also apply to another school Early Decision or Early Action?</li>
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<p>If you choose to participate in the College Match, you cannot also apply to other colleges Early Decision or Early Action. Since the College Match is a binding early admission program, applying to both QuestBridge and another program early would violate the agreement with the other program. If you fill out an application but do not become a QuestBridge finalist (notification of finalist status is October 26, 2007), then you are released to apply to any college Early Decision or Early Action.</p>

<p>Students are encouraged to apply to other colleges through the Regular Admissions process. However, if you are matched with one of our partner colleges, you will need to withdraw all of your regular applications.</p>

<p>If you decide not to participate in the College Match process or if you are not selected as a finalist, you are still welcome to apply and utilize our application forwarding service for the Regular Admissions process. Please review the profiles of each of our partner colleges on our website for more information.</p>

<p>BTW I sincerely hope that you do the right thing since you posted that sappy condensing dribble about how you know why you were chosen - did you actually sit in or have inside knowledge of the admissions process? Do you think that all the other applicants that didn’t get matched were less altruistic than yourself? I don’t think so but I know one thing you broke the rules and I didn’t.</p>

<p>grtskt89:</p>

<p>What an ignorant and unfounded attack on your part! It is not my fault that you cannot read. The word “other” applies to schools other than partner schools.</p>

<p>I did not cheat.</p>

<p>I did not lie.</p>

<p>I did not game.</p>

<p>You are wrong, and you are nasty.</p>

<p>Read the Regular Decision Table.</p>

<p>It clearly states that you can apply ED to some partner schools.</p>

<p>When I called the school (Amherst) to inquire about applying ED if I wasn’t matched, the Adcom told me to send in my supplement and agreement etc. before the match announcements. The turnaround is only a few days. Obviously they were not going to consider my ED APP until after the match process, but they wanted it there early just the same. This is not a violation of any QB rules. I did what I was told to do by Amherst. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them.</p>

<p>Don’t attack people when you don’t have the facts straight.</p>

<p>Do I have to send an official transcript to every university I apply even if I just took one class??</p>

<p>socalfreak4life: I think so, I sent in my community college credits and I took 2 classes</p>

<p>grtskt89:</p>

<p>It seems as if you did not read your own post…</p>

<p>You posted the following from QB’s website:</p>

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<p>[National</a> College Match Program: FAQ](<a href=“http://www.questbridge.org/students/faqs.html]National”>http://www.questbridge.org/students/faqs.html)</p>

<p>For many schools the ED deadline is November 1. </p>

<p>Just because FDM was not matched by questbridge for Amherst, does not mean that she can no longer apply to Amherst (actually it was very smart on her part to be prepared to apply somewhere else ED in the event that she did not become a match. This is called having a contigency plan in place I am quite sure if she was not accepted ED, then the rest of her applicationsm, which she can now happily shred would have been done and ready to mail out for RD). Just because you are not matched for questbridge (remember that only a limited # of students are even admitted throught he match program) that does not mean that if the school sees her as an attractive candidate (which they did) that they cannot offer her an admission on their own.</p>

<p>Since Amherst has a low income initiative and has this year eliminated loans, if admitted to Amherst (which apparently she was) she would still receive a comprable package from the school that is probably pretty comprable to what she would have gotten from QB anyway.</p>

<p>FDM:</p>

<p>Congratulations!! Amherst is an amazing school and you will have a wonderful experience there.</p>

<p>Sybbie719:</p>

<p>Hope this clears things up…</p>

<p>I was a Finalist. I was not matched with Amherst, though I did rank it #1. I was matched with my #2 school. I am happy with that.</p>

<p>However, before I knew the outcome, I wanted to apply ED to Amherst if I wasn’t matched.</p>

<p>The QB Regular Decision Table says if you are a Finalist, you may apply ED to Amherst. QB instructs you to email Amherst to ask to apply ED by 12/1. I called Amherst. The Adcom in charge of QB apps, requested that I send in my app before the match, because they hand out decisions on 12/8. It was better for Amherst to have the materials already on hand. I think they know what they are doing and what is right.</p>

<p>Sometimes QB gives you info, but the partner school has a slightly different preference. I don’t find that to be unethical. If an applicant has a question about how to proceed, shouldn’t the applicant be allowed to make inquiries? Shouldn’t the partner school be able to decide how they want materials submitted?</p>