<p>Good point, ivoryk except that we don’t use drugs here. :)</p>
<p>“Just try to keep the Jesus stuff out of it next time, okay?”</p>
<p>You know, I don’t think he’ll mind. When I last spoke with him, he was OK with it. He knows and understands the context of the Woody Allen film ( I believe… Take the Money and Run) about addictive behavor of a fellow 5th grade classmate speaking about what happens to them in the future. </p>
<p>In fact, Jesus would rather have someone hooked on him than heroin. That’s also why JC backs AA and their efforts with addictive behavors. An addic needs something to occuppy themselves with because of their disorder, so why not Jesus?</p>
<p>Why that would offend you I really don’t understand.</p>
<p>Is he your own personal Jesus? </p>
<p>Or is he for anybody who really needs him? </p>
<p>He’s my Jesus too, and he’s cool with the whole thing. You see, he understands and has a sense of humor about things, whereas you do not. </p>
<p>I am amazed that that so many inflexible, rigid, intolerant people follow someone who was so understanding. They don’t seem to be a match made in heaven.</p>
<p>I know a guy who was stone regularly and graduated summa cum laude from Harvard in math. Not that I’d recommend it though…</p>
<p>Wow, lots of action while I’ve been gone!</p>
<p>What’s wrong with saying you’re high on Jesus? Lots of people used to be high on drugs and now they’re high on the Lord. I’d say it’s a step up.</p>
<p>Well, I WAS a druggie and I’m not ashamed to admit it, since that was, after all, 25-30 years ago. I don’t get offended by being called an EX-druggie. But when someone says ‘YOUR stash’ present tense, yeah, that’s offensive.</p>
<p>It’s very convenient to backpedal and say no offense intended, without actually apologizing. As you are fond of saying, eh, whatever.</p>
<p>Anyway, in response to hh: I actually already did answer the question as to what to do AFTER the kid tried drugs. As did you. The ensuing debate was because of our differing approaches, and the debate about our differing ideas about consequences led to discussion of how we approach PREVENTION.</p>
<p>That’s what happened, as I see it. These threads have a way of expanding their theses, don’t they.</p>
<p>As for stoners being losers, I’d say that it’s probably common, but there are always exceptions, like the one cited above. Plenty of alcoholics are successful. (I used to work for one.) That’s not really saying too much.</p>
<p>Hannah: I agree with you that stoned people are not violent. A perfect world would be free of ALL vices. But alas, the world is not a perfect place! I think, IF the world HAD to have ONE vice, and we got to poof and pick just ONE out of the common drugs (pot, cocaine, etc.) then most definitely the world would be a better place if it were pot that was legal instead of alcohol. Pot may indeed be the lesser of the evils, but it’s still an evil, unfortunately. Better to start running or get high on Life.</p>
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<p>"I am amazed that that so many inflexible, rigid, intolerant people follow someone who was so understanding. "</p>
<p>AMEN! Rock on, Opie!</p>
<p>I really don’t want to bicker with you anymore, hh. I am just honestly perplexed how you could be so offended by Opie saying HE is now high on Jesus (which I think is a good thing, but at the very least does not concern anyone else) yet not understand why we are offended when you say we have a stash. Bizarre.</p>
<p>This thread is ridiculous.</p>
<p>No one does meth or crack at school. Coke is prevalent because that is a so-called “upper class” drug.</p>
<p>“My kid would never use drugs” - No parent can truly say that. You aren’t your child, and you don’t know what situations he will face. Also, there are kids who do tons of drugs and are very successful students. I also know a “straightedge” sober kid who failed out the first semester.</p>
<p>To answer some questions: I’m a college student. I don’t do coke. I thought the OP would make an interesting thread.</p>
<p>“This thread is ridiculous.”</p>
<p>I agree, partially. I am curious, though: Is it the bickering you find ridiculous, or the parents’ presumption that they can do anything to keep their kids off drugs?</p>
<p>“No one does meth or crack at school. Coke is prevalent because that is a so-called “upper class” drug.”</p>
<p>You are fortunate. I know that meth and crack are common at high schools, but I don’t know the statistics on colleges. At any rate, snorting powdered coke is far less dangerous than meth and crack. IF you can be sure it is in fact coke, that is. Can you really? Ever see Pulp Fiction or read Wonderland Avenue? In both cases, the person thought s/he was snorting coke and it turned out to be heroin. In both cases they almost died. Pulp Fiction was fictitious. Wonderland Avenue was not. (great book on the drug culture, btw)</p>
<p>“My kid would never use drugs” - No parent can truly say that. "</p>
<p>Which parent here said that? I don’t think anyone did. If we were so certain about that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.</p>
<p>“You aren’t your child, and you don’t know what situations he will face.”</p>
<p>Very true. That’s why, imo, the best way we can prepare our kids for those unknown situations is to arm him with as much INFORMATION as possible.</p>
<p>“Also, there are kids who do tons of drugs and are very successful students.”</p>
<p>Again, very true. I was one myself.</p>
<p>“I also know a “straightedge” sober kid who failed out the first semester.”</p>
<p>True again! I know one of those too. There are no guarantees either way.</p>
<p>I think you might agree, though, that doing drugs/partying excessively just MIGHT tilt the odds against being successful, don’t you think?</p>
<p>Thanks for your input!</p>
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<p>What’s the point of this drugs…</p>
<p>Haha I was about to post that…I meant, what’s the point of this thread</p>
<p>Freudian slip?</p>
<p>Well the point was there was actually some really good discussion on a very important topic, until all the bickering started. </p>
<p>(Just ignore the silly juvenile bickering.)</p>