<p>Glad you explained–I sat there on post 141 for a full minute pondering who “arrack” was. :p</p>
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<p>Given Giuliani’s marital history, I find that statement amusing. ;)</p>
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<p>How bizzare. Do you know what psychologists say about people who spend a lot of time making up wild stories about the motives of unseen others?</p>
<p>I haven’t said one thing about Mitt Romney, and very little about the FLDS. You keep bringing them up, again and again. The only times I’ve even mentioned the FLDS is to correct misinformation or unfair statements you’ve made, and until now, I haven’t mentioned Romney at all.</p>
<p>Which again brings me to the question of why you keep doing it? What interest do you have in continually misrepresenting this as a political issue and continuing to launch baseless personal attacks on other posters?</p>
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<p>Again, this is just bizzare. Except for one issue raised by Idmom, you’re the only one “talking politics”, and you do it again and again and again.</p>
<p>I must not be smart enough to understand what higherlead is saying…or what his/her position is…?</p>
<p>Anyway, back to the original topic:</p>
<p>Since the mainstream Mormons do not identify with the splintered off sects, does anyone know what they (the mainstream) have done about it? I’ll have to ask my brother or LDS friends…</p>
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<p>Apparently you just haven’t done enough drugs or put enough tin foil on your windows.</p>
<p>To answer the other question, I’ve heard that in some areas, the mainstream Mormons have put pressure on local law enforcement to prosecute the fundamentalists for some of their abuses of women and children. Good for them, whatever their motives.</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>Well I guess I’ll just have to stay not too smart - too late now to do any of that stuff.</p>
<p>leal and conyat - I also understand mainstream Mormons self-police on this issue…and are the biggest and most zealous opponents to the polygamist lifestyle.</p>
<p>I think television hugely exaggerates things for entertainment value, but (according to my friend) there is some truth to the one storyline on ‘Big Love’ about the suspicious mainstream Mormon employee who wants to catch the polygamist family so she can turn them in to the authorities. (Not sure if you watch the show…but…)</p>
<p>I’ve never watched that show but from my experience with my LDS friends, they do seem to feel very strongly about setting the record straight, so that sounds about right.</p>
<p>btw…I’m the one who brought Mitt Romney up. I’m so sorry you are getting hammered for it conyat. </p>
<p>I’ve repeatedly, REPEATEDLY stated I am not offering an opinion about Mitt Romney and his qualifications; and I have not revealed whether or not I would support him. My observations are merely that there seems to be a trend by the mainstream Mormon Church to take action to become more acceptable in the eyes of non-Mormons. The effort isn’t new, but has definitely been stepped up in the last year. It’s an observation…and a legitimate one because one has to wonder if it is politically motivated. </p>
<p>No where did I attempt to tie Mitt Romney to some fundamentalist splinter offshoot of the original Mormon Church. I’m highly annoyed that a couple of posters insist on spinning my words into something they are not.</p>
<p>I saw it a couple times. It’s supposed to come back on the air next week, I think.</p>
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<p>Would anyone recognize them if they didn’t?</p>
<h2>“Would anyone recognize them if they didn’t?”</h2>
<p>^…no truer words than these conyat…lol!</p>
<p>Oh please. I can’t stand this thread, but I can’t let this stand. It was your insinuation (or statement, as you phrased it) about the present day LDS church still giving a pass to bigotry that was at issue.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon201.html[/url]”>http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon201.html</a></p>
<p>Apparently the issue is a real struggle for African Americans who convert to Mormonism. About half end up leaving.</p>
<p>But at any rate, I think you’re still misrepresenting Idmom’s position a bit. What she said was rather different from what you say she said.</p>
<p>ah. rickcross.com again.</p>
<p>When you people have some real stats, let me know.</p>
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<p>WHO are you talking to hh? </p>
<p>YES…there is an inconsistency with what the Mormon Church states is their current position on bigotry and racism and what is actually CONTAINED in the Book of Mormon. Tell me it isn’t true. You cannot. What I can’t stand is people who won’t set aside their emotions to be analytical with facts</p>
<p>And THAT statement by me is a completely separate issue from the erroneous claims that I am trying to tie Mitt Romney to a fundamentalist polygamy sect.</p>
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<p>Again? Who brought it up the first time? Or did you slip up in your haste to shoot the messenger?</p>
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<p>Idmom’s already pointed out the numerous passages in the Book of Mormon that have never been repudiated by the church leadership, and I could provide links to many, many of them. This is certainly empirical evidence.</p>
<p>I think you’re confusing empirical evidence and Fox News poll results.</p>
<p>“YES…there is an inconsistency with what the Mormon Church states is their current position on bigotry and racism and what is actually CONTAINED in the Book of Mormon.”</p>
<p>Idmom - I guess the same could be said about slavery, the bible, and every mainstream Christian sect. So far as I know none of them have repudiated the bible as revealed truth. What do you want the Mormoms to do? Stand up and say they reject the Book of Mormom? Should Christians do the same with the bible ecause parts of it are hard to reconcile with modern beliefs and values? Or is it possible that God continues to reveal himself through his prophets and his church? Do you have the same prolem with Islam and the Koran?</p>
<p>The difference may be that as recently as 25 years ago, the Mormon Church was espousing a policy that reaffirmed their belief that African Americans, American Indians and other minorities were inferior and ‘cursed’ with a different skin color. Maybe time, and not repudiation, is the cure…but I suggest you read the text of the Book of Mormon before you make comparisons to the Bible.</p>
<p>Once more–can’t let this stand: I did NOT reference rickross.com. You did. So don’t leave the impression I had anything to do with that website, or any of your other wingnut sites.</p>
<p>Well Idmom I am old enough to remember the same kind of racist mark of Caine sentiment preached from the pulpits of mainstream protestant churches in parts of this country and I am 56 years old. I don’t know any mainstream Christian sect that endorses such doctrine today and I don’t know any mainstream Christian sect that repudiates the bible.</p>
<p>It is fine if you don’t like the Mormons or organized religion in general but lets not hold them to a standard that the Methodists couldn’t meet.</p>