Question about polygamy and Mormans and the boys

[conyat]

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I did NOT reference rickross.com. You did. So don’t leave the impression I had anything to do with that website, or any of your other wingnut sites.

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<p>I never said you brought it up. It’s one thing to ■■■■■, HH, but it’s another to flat out lie. Don’t you realise everyone can see what was typed? </p>

<p>By saying “again” in post 154, you implied the site had been referenced more than once. My question was: “Again? Who brought it up the first time?” </p>

<p>I was not aware of it having been previously referenced, least of all by me, so I questioned your use of “again” and was looking for verification that it had been brought up before.</p>

<p>To me this was clearly a slip up. You were so eager to convince others to dismiss the site without actually clicking on it to see what it had to say, you erred by saying it had been linked to before when it hadn’t.</p>

<p>Why you’re trying to pretend you think I said anything else is beyond me. </p>

<p>Why would anything think you brought up a site that endorses racial equality? It’s the last thing I would expect.</p>

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any of your other wingnut sites.

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<p>What I linked to was an article from the Salt Lake City Tribune. Are you seriously calling the staff of that newspaper “wingnuts”? On what basis? Where did you get your journalism or your psychiatry degree from that you can speak with such authority about a respected newpaper?</p>

<p>If you have any information to discredit that article from the Tribune or the scholarship its based on, let’s hear it, instead of just random shoot-the-messenger insults, and bizarre misrepresentations of other people’s posts.</p>

<p>If anyone is the wingnut, it’s the person who tricks herself into believing that another poster said something she didn’t.</p>

[ldmom06]

<p>higherlead - the difference between the Book of Mormon and the Bible, is that the Mormon Church HAS made revisions to the Book of Mormon. MANY revisions. If the Book of Mormon is ‘revisable’ then obviously it is not considered infallible by their membership…and the question becomes, why not revise it on this issue?</p>

<p>Many Christians have many differing views on the contents of the Bible and DO feel free to repudiate interpretations they feel are wrong. You mention slavery in the Bible, but one cannot simply say the Bible condones slavery. Do you remember that slavery in Biblical days was an economic issue and not racial? The Old Testament does not advocate taking of slaves and in fact, racial slavery was punished by God. </p>

<p>Again, I am not trying to judge and I don’t dislike Mormons…and I think you misinterpret me. I am asking questions. I want to know how a religion can deny access to temple and priesthood to those of a different race more than a decade after the Civil Rights movement. I want to believe there has been enlightenment and a true change of heart, but I am not convinced. The people I know who are Mormon do believe that interracial marriage is wrong and some disagree with opening the priesthood to blacks…and they cite the Book of Mormon in defense of this position. You may say this is no different than some Christians who choose to interpret the Bible in a way that condones aberrant behavior. But rather than say one is right because of the other…I say both are wrong.</p>

[higherlead]

<p>In October 1963 the General Conference of the LDS church issued the following statement:</p>

<pre><code>"During recent months, both in Salt Lake City and across the nation, considerable interest has been expressed in the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the matter of civil rights. We would like it to be known that there is in this Church no doctrine, belief, or practice that is intended to deny the enjoyment of full civil rights by any person regardless of race, color, or creed.

We say again, as we have said many times before, that we believe that all men are the children of the same God and that it is a moral evil for any person or group of persons to deny any human being the rights to gainful employment, to full educational opportunity, and to every privilege of citizenship, just as it is a moral evil to deny him the right to worship according to the dictates of his own conscience.

We have consistently and persistently upheld the Constitution of the United States, and as far as we are concerned this means upholding the constitutional rights of every citizen of the United States.

We call upon all men everywhere, both within and outside the Church, to commit themselves to the establishment of full civil equality for all of God’s children. Anything less than this defeats our high ideal of the brotherhood of man."
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<p>True enough LDS doctrine at that time denied the priesthood to African Americans and to other Negroes but then most if not all mainstream Christian sects consigned all non-baptized folks to hell or limbo.</p>

<p>You can maybe contrast that LDS statement with the words from the Democratic Governor of Alabama’s inaugural speech delvered a few months earlier.</p>

<p>“In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” - George Wallace</p>

<p>Those were difficult and turbulent times. America and American institutions did not change all at once nad overnight and very few if any of them are free from the taint of racism. The LDS Church may not have been in the forefront ut it wasn’t at the tail end either.</p>