Question for those of you who saw Hamilton

It was not “life changing” but it was a really excellent show.

I will say that LMM is brilliant and might be the only person who could have created this show. He had the fortitude to do a ton of historical research and he grew up with a love of both traditional theater and rap/hip hop music.

The show has opened the eyes of some traditional theater-goers to other types of music and has opened the eyes of some rap/hip hop enthusiasts to Broadway theater. All of that is a good thing (and yes it did open my eyes as well).

But after the show I got into the same car, went back to my same house, same job, same family etc. So while I may no longer turn off a hip hop song on the radio immediately, I would not say it was truly life changing.

I don’t think it changed my life, but I enjoyed it far more than any night in the theater I can remember. It’s a long show and there was not a moment where I was not fully engaged with what was going on, and those with me felt the same way.

I studied history in college and I the show reminded me why. Good historians (like Chernow) bring the past to life and LMM interpreted Chernow’s book in a wholly unexpected way.

Like others here, it also opened my eyes to music I previously thought wasn’t for me - rap and hip-hop. The matching of musical style to a character’s “type” is brilliantly done.

I have to say that even though I have listened to the soundtrack many times, I didn’t realize quite how adeptly the style changed per character until I saw the PBS documentary this weekend. Of course the king is obvious. :slight_smile: But there were other nuances that I had not noticed – I went back and listened again with yet another layer of appreciation. Hamilton is a work of genius, IMHO.

To the OP – Has ANY work of art changed your life? If not, then this one is not likely to, either. I haven’t seen Hamilton but I have had many life-changing encounters with works of art, music and literature and it is hard to put into words why and how that happens.

I read the book Hamilton: The Revolution by Jeremy McCarter and Lin-Manual Miranda, and recommend it. I also really enjoyed the PBS special. In the book, the lyrics are presented with footnotes explaining references. The book also includes songs/lyrics that were written but not used. And it gave a lot of back story about the writing of the musical and the people involved. Several times I was in tears from the real human emotions, both from the historical characters and the contemporary people involved with the show.

I read the book online from my public library - had to wait a while on hold, but it was definitely worth it.

I recommend the book as well.

As a music fan and having followed rap/hip hop since its beginning, I loved how he referenced different artists’ style and lyrics throughout. It was fun to say, “Hey, that’s a Biggie Smalls reference” or to notice a nod to Eminem, etc.

LMM weaves a lot into two hours well beyond just entertaining us and telling a story about our founding fathers.

Well, Hamilton has certainly been life-changing for a number of people. For example, Lin-Manuel Miranda went from being a very talented guy and a cult figure in New York theater circles to being a very talented, very rich celebrity. It’s done a lot for the careers of almost everyone associated with the show, certainly the actors, the choreographer, the set designer, the director . . . .

Life changing. I haven’t seen Hamilton but I’ll bet when many people say that they are referring to perhaps a “life changing” view or feeling of appreciation they have after attending a production.

For me, I would say that the last two Coldplay concerts I have attended have been “life changing”. The experience just opened my eyes, heart and soul up to FILL with the music, energy and lyrics of what I observed. It was a “moment” in my life. Relived over and over in my mind. Long lasting in terms of an outlook on life, music and performing. An experience that rates as a top life experience.

To me, in the context of all that happens in our life, for a performance to have that kind of effect - is “life changing”.

Coldplay sure knows how to put on a performance, don’t they, @abasket? I’m not a fan of arena concerts but Coldplay is one of a few who does it extremely well.

I’ve seen Hamilton, more than once, and although I love the production, it wasn’t life-changing. I see theatre on almost a weekly basis. I am involved as a producer with a Toronto theatre company. I have a daughter in the biz. I know hundreds of actors and theatre professionals. I guess I could see how maybe a young person could have a life-changing experience after seeing the show, perhaps then pursuing the study of theatre or music, or directing, etc. I know many who had that experience after seeing RENT 20 years ago.

JHS is right. The individuals involved with the show are the ones whose lives have been changed, no one more than Lin, who gets ~$100,000/week from the show. I agree that he is a brilliant individual but one thing that makes me sad is that Alex Lacamoire and Tommy Kail don’t get enough credit. My guess is that many, likely some in this discussion, have no idea who they are. The Public Theatre should also be lauded for taking a chance on this show. Same goes for the early backers.

My hope is that some/many of the people who have jumped on the Hamilton bandwagon will venture further into the theatre experience and see other shows, support other artists. One of them may be the one who writes the next Hamilton!

“The Public Theatre should also be lauded for taking a chance on this show. Same goes for the early backers.”

True to an extent, but its not like LMM and his team were unknown having had critical and financial success with In the Heights, including 4 Tonys. The idea/concept of Hamilton had also gotten plenty of publicity/accolades during its conception and development - White House Performance, Mixtape performances for years before the off-Broadway debut. So, yes there was risk as much as ANY show is a risk but it was well-vetted and I would imagine an investment with a very high risk/reward profile. Backers were clamoring to get involved.

@doschicos Yes, I imagine that Hamilton wasn’t a high risk investment for the producers. However, the main producers also took a chance on him in the early stage of his career that led to In The Heights on Broadway. They spotted his talent and backed him. I will say that I am grateful to one of them for reasons I cannot say publicly. Further, I agree with @alwaysamom that The Public Theater deserves a lot of credit. I am personally grateful to them for other reasons too. Further, Alex Lacamoire and Tommy Kail aren’t known by many lovers of Hamilton, but they deserve huge credit for its success. Lin-Manuel is a genius. And he has left his mark already in a huge way on the theater world. I haven’t seen Hamilton, unfortunately, (I have the CD), but if this gets more people interested in seeing theater, that’s a wonderful thing in itself.

One of the things that has impressed me most with the more I have learned about Hamilton and LMM is how intentional every single bit of it is. The amount of work and thought that went in to every single bit of writing, casting, publicity, educational programs, each word, each roles musical style. This is a very finely crafted show. LMM (and the many collaberators) did not just get lucky and strike it big. Everything little thing was considered and dovetails together to create a masterpiece.

@doschicos Obviously, Lin was known but there is never a guarantee with any show. It is a long process and the odds of any show being a hit are so slim. For every show that makes it to the Public, and many are not eventual successes, there are thousands of others that will not reach even that starting point.

Yes, I am aware of that, @alwaysmom, however, like I said, there were many signs that Hamilton was going to be successful. I’m not discounting what you are saying, I’m just pointing out that Hamilton was less of a risk than many other shows. Of course, the Public Theatre serves an important role in theater.

I definitely think Hamilton is the case of a “rising tide lifts all boats”. LMM’s extreme extroversion and ability to market definitely draws attention to him. That is often true with many success stories. Having read the book, I am aware of Lacamoire, Kail and others’ influence but I’m sure many aren’t. However, I think everyone involved sees benefits, including the theater industry as a whole. Even the arts as a whole. At a time when we hear about how students and higher education should focus on STEM majors and we continue to see cuts to the arts both in schools and more broadly, any success is success for all IMO. Financial and critical success will encourage more investment, more viewers, etc. It’s all good.

One of the struggles for different branches of the arts is to attract new, young patrons both as viewers and benefactors. I can’t help but think that what JKR and Harry Potter did for the book industry, Hamilton, LLM and the team will do, albeit on a smaller scale, for theater by drawing in new, younger audiences. It can’t help but open eyes to theater.

Now, if only museums could find their Hamilton…

I’ve been thinking about that, and thinking about the nature of creative genius. In the show, Jefferson shows up in the second act, after having been in Europe during the entire first act. Most of other protagonists have been singing in hip hop (the men, anyway) but Jefferson gives us a jazz song, “What’d I Miss”. During the documentary, Miranda explains that Jefferson’s older, more old-fashioned musical style symbolizes him having missed all the tumult and change of the Revolution.

This is brilliant and subtle. I wonder whether Miranda started out writing Jefferson while thinking, “I will write a jazz song because Jefferson is behind the times and ought to use a jazz style”? Or is it the nature of his genius that he wrote what felt right and appropriate for Jefferson, unconsciously adopting the older style, and then only later realized why it sounded right?

There have got to be a lot of choices that a genius makes subconsciously, because their creative brain has worked it out. Painters don’t plan every brush stroke.

I suspect with LMM, that what you see as a careful design is likely the result of a number of different ways of creating, when I meet creative people, people who write music and/or lyrics, people who write books and plays, other kinds of artists, what I often get from them there is no one way, that sometimes it comes by careful plotting, other times it happens by inspiration. Guy I work with has a band and writes songs for it, and it can happen a variety of ways, sometimes he’ll write music and the lyrics flow from that, sometimes he writes lyrics that get to him and the music inspires him, sometimes they come together. Genius is a funny thing, kind of like trying to frame the concept of God, in the end there is no way to really frame it, it just is:).

With the complaints I have heard about Hamilton, I agree with another poster, it is usually people with a very narrow view. Academic historians get their nose bent out of joint that their writings get read by like 100 people, and feel that LMM is somehow ‘stealing their thunder’ and whatnot, because of course they said it better (leaving out the debt that LMM publicly acknowledges to Chernow and other historians as well). Then, too, there are those that are troubled that it showed the founders for what they were, human beings, with all the warts and glory that go with that. To people who try and sell the founders as if they were prophets, who wrote a ‘perfect’ constitution and had the ‘one true image of this country’, what Hamilton shows is that they created something as best they could and hoped, ad Franklin once said, that it survived despite facing odds a kinder provident would not have let them face…and that the battles we face today are not all that much different than they faced there, the whole states rights/central government/farm versus urban were major facets of that period and remained so. There are those from various sides who either want to hagiorize the founders or rip them to shreds, both taking away their fundamental humanity in making them either gods or villains, when they were both and neither.

I haven’t seen Hamilton, I suspect I either will have to wait, or hope someone uses their head and shows the original cast on PBS as a “Great Performances” (not optimistic, all the parties involved in such things generally don’t listen to their higher natures and as a result, many, many great Broadway performances are lost to anyone but theater people and researches). , I have only heard the soundtrack many times, the specials on it, interviews with LMM, and I think one of the reasons it works is that it shows the humanity of the people in the story, and I think it resonates to hear their words done in a modern context, it brings home that despite what some may think, a person who is black or hispanic could very easily have been a hamilton or jefferson or Burr or whatnot, that revolutions and ideas are human, pure and simple. As Clive Barnes wrote about “Hair” back when a lot of critics trashed it, he said it was telling a very old story in modern terms, with 'the voice of today rather than the voice of yesterday", and I think Hamilton is like that (in an interview many years later, Barnes, the NYT theater critic, pointed out that the same critics who trashed “Hair” loved 1776, favoring revolutionaries from the past while trashing those of today…).

As far as what Hamilton would have done, I suspect a friend of mine was right, that Hamilton had he not died likely would not have done that much more, that his critical flaws would have kept him from the presidency or other seats of power (he said basically Burr did the country a favor by shooting Hamilton, that Hamilton was something of a megalomaniac when it came to searching for power and had far too little respect for the republic to not grasp the chance to be a dictator). He had alienated too many people, his power grabs under Washington had alienated the other federalists, and the Jeffersonian types saw him as an aristocratic type trying to seize power. Hamilton from my view of reading about him was kind of a character from a Greek tragedy, the brilliance that let him help establish this country, especially economically, was kind of his fatal flaw because it wasn’t tempered by brilliance emotionally, and that in the end ruined him IMO.

@alwaysamom While LMM is of course the most well known serving as the (original) star, the composer/lyricist and just having an incredibly charismatic/enthusiastic personality. It is normal that they behind the scenes folks are not as well known – but at least in NYC they have all certainly established names for themselves. In addition, the most important collaborators/backers are being well taken care of with a royalties – including Tommy Kail, Alex Lacimore, Andy Blankenbuehler, The Public Theater, Ron Chernow. If Hamilton is on its way to making $1 billion as many suspect the people I just mentioned probably don’t have to work again – although I imagine they will (Tommy Kail is directing a show at the Public that opens next month).

I do find it impressive that so many of the In The Heights colaborators have been or are currently a part of Hamilton. Some of them are Tommy Kail, Alex Lacimore, Andy Blandenbuehler, Chris Jackson, Karen Olivo, Joshua Henry, Jonathan Kirkland, Mandy Gonzalez (probably are more I don’t know of offhand). He knew Daveed Diggs from FLS. I think it speaks volumes about LMM that he has a trusted group of collaborators and that actors seem very happy to work on his projects again.

Thank you, everyone, for your very insightful and thoughtful answers.

I think LMM is one of the most charming and amazing people I have ever seen interviewed. So gifted, amazing. I did really enjoy the PBS special and appreciate his cooperation in doing it in such depth…i.e. such things as a shot recreating him lying in his vacation hammock reading Chernow’s book…nice of him to really get into the production rather than just a face to face interview. What a great guy. For you lucky, lucky people who got to see him in the starring role, what a great life experience.

@VaBluebird …I think thst was the actual vacation photo (I’ve seen it before). And the documentary itself was.made by a good friend of LMM (college roommate who was a usher at his wedding. …can be seen in the now famous wedding video) so he was eager to help I’m sure.