<p>I don’t mind that. I’m not trying to be an elitist or crap on everyone who has come from a community college. But the fact is that there are many, many students who are far more qualified based on academic merit to get a full scholarship than people who did poorly throughout highschool and then did ok in an easy environment. That $16,000 a year could be put towards many other things which the university needs, and certainly deserves to be used elsewhere.</p>
<p>I don’t know any way better to spend 16,000 than to educate a poor student who worked his way through community college and still got good grades. Hero, an 1100 on the SATs is very laughable, and you’re giving out bad advice if you’re telling someone not to retake it if they can do better. Not everyone wants to spend 2 years in community college and then transfer to Rutgers. </p>
<p>If they have a chance of getting into Rutgers on the first try and have the means to attend, you shouldn’t let your bad advice hinder them. If your SAT scores are low, and you think you can do better, please retake them. It is undeniable that classes at a four year institution (not necessarily Rutgers) are on average more rigorous and better taught than classes at community colleges.</p>
<p>Sorry you didn’t get any scholarship money. Not to sound cheesy, but I wish we could all just get along and not attack people or their credentials, lol. I mean really, SAT scores? </p>
<p>Did we even answer your question BleeD27Gr33N? Haha =D</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Rutgers feel that money should be used towards other things (like unnecessary renovations on College Avenue…that’s gonna be hell when school starts up if they go ahead with the construction this Fall . . . and as if George Street need even more traffic. . . oy, I’m getting a headache thinking about it . . . oh goodness . . . bleh)</p>
<p>carbonate: I didn’t attend a community college, nor did I receive a full scholarship. so why do you feel the need to persistently and viciously attack me?</p>
<p>In regards to Rutgers giving preference to cc students I noticed that they aren’t the only school that does that. I personally think that CC school classes are a little on the easy side. I took a few in high school they weren’t that difficult in my opinion. I would say a 3.0 at a four year instituition would be a little harder to get than a 3.0 at a CC just my opinion though.</p>
<p>Carbonate, you are an idiot. The SATs are NOT a measure of intelligence. It’s a measure of knowledge in multiple subjects and your ability on how well you take a test. </p>
<p>Dictionary.com:</p>
<p>Intelligence:
- capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
- manifestation of a high mental capacity</p>
<p>I don’t care if you got into harvard, you’re a dumbass.</p>
<p>Ok i’ll be honest.
you’re an ordinary 17 year old kid who has the ability to put his face in a book.
ordinary. average intelligence.
Nothing special.</p>
<p>abdulkane- The logic behind giving preference to cc graduates is that colleges/universities believe that such students are more mature, prepared, and serious about their education than younger students coming straight from hs. Only potential first-year students are eligible for the mega-scholarships, and transfers students are the more favorable first years. </p>
<p>Lurker- I laugh at my 1150 all the time, and I don’t feel dumb or embarrassed at all because I know I didn’t break a sweat to score that low. If I retake the test and score that now, however, I would be a bit mortified and keep it to myself.
The advice I gave about not worrying about the SAT and to complete an associate’s degree is sound advice if you are already in a CC. My advice was directed to someone who was already 1 year in. What’s another year going to do? What’s the big rush to Rutgers for? It’s a cheaper route, get lower level courses out of the way, and most importantly, you can try to earn that 16k reward ;)</p>
<p>Carbonate- You contradicted yourself and strengthened my argument when you said “The fact that Rutgers students did poorly in community college says nothing - anyone can do poorly, even in community college, by not putting the time in” - And I say, anyone can do poorly, even in high school and the SAT, by not putting the time in. Seems like academic performances have a lot to do with ambition more so than intelligence. </p>
<p>To everybody- Yes, community college classes, on average, are easier to earn good grades compare to courses at a university. Why are they easier? Smaller classrooms, longer office hours to visit professors, and fewer distractions. In the end, I still learned the same exact thing Rutgers students learned at their school. Maybe even more since students at universities are apparently struggling with uncaring professors. Of course this is only regarding the lower level courses since that’s all CC offers. Calculus, Biology, and Chemistry are examples of lower level courses, and no matter what institution is teaching these courses, they are using similar text books and can’t change the rules. </p>
<p>Final note: It doesn’t matter what school anyone attends, it is up to the individual on how he/she studies and learn. Heck, you can get a college education for free-the library.</p>
<p>The SAT tests skills such as geometric analysis/visualization, critical reading, proper grammar, applications in algebra, etc. These skills are pretty fundamental and should come from a strong high school education. It’s not a perfect measuring stick with a margin of error of +/- 90 points out of 2400, but it tests things that are relevant to college readiness. Brains develop, especially at young ages, and new connections form. Your brain can form new connections through taking on challenges in the same way that weight lifting builds muscle. There’s no reason to be so judgmental, although I believe that by the time a person enters college he or she should be able to get around an 1800. Interestingly enough, that’s around the average/median score of Rutgers students, and you’ll find that many students enter and need to retake high school level courses. That’s fine too, I suppose. I guess my thoughts are pretty unfocused, but there they are.</p>
<p>“Your SAT score sucks considering the scholarship you have, your excuse for doing bad in expos (dry, formulaic writing? did you even take expos? it was as unformulaic as a writing course can get - then again, your inability to understand the course, most likely due to lack of intellect, certainly explains your poor course performance) is weak, you find a 3.8 to be brag-worthy, and your attempt to cram sarcasm into that last abortion of a paragraph (is it supposed to be a witty taunt of some sort?) was just soft.”</p>
<p>i was just reading this again…hearty lulz. why do you care so much “carbonate”? </p>
<p>btw, that was no sarcasm; that was patronization masked as a peace offering. But I’ve since come to the conclusion that you, sir, are the idiot, and I refuse to feel ashamed of my accomplishments just because you think I should. both a 3.8 and 1390 are a respectable gpa and sat score. I got a B, so stop acting as if I failed the course. And I was not bragging, simply defending myself as you’ve been viciously attacking me since I called you arrogant. which, sir, you are and which your latest posts have not disproved. </p>
<p>“The point is that many students, not just myself, are considerably more capable than you and people like herothydragon, yet do not have full rides, while weaker students such as yourselves do. It is not about being “bitter”, as much as it is a commentary about the unjustness of the situation.” you just defined bitter, sweetie.</p>
<p>We are both at the same level of intellect. You are in the honors program; I am in the honors program. You graduated top 20%; I graduated top 10%. (not trying to best you, just stating the facts) your higher sat scores and ability to do well in a course that doesn’t even measure one’s true writing ability (my professor’s words) is the only basis for your tone of derision. </p>
<p>let me repeat: I did NOT receive a full scholarship. (stop saying I don’t deserve something I don’t even have). And the name’s naoise. get it right next time.</p>
<p>Consider the views in this article </p>
<p>[DON'T</a> GET THAT COLLEGE DEGREE! - New York Post](<a href=“DON’T GET THAT COLLEGE DEGREE!”>DON’T GET THAT COLLEGE DEGREE!)</p>
<p>Heh. lets leave the old topic behind and start with this: poking holes in the NYP article.</p>
<p>First of all, its from the New York Post, so credibility is already low 
Second of all, the average Rutgers grad makes $50,000 upon graduation (yup true!)</p>
<p>I’ll go one by one. </p>
<p>Mushaboom: I do have a scholarship at Rutgers. Try reading my posts again. </p>
<p>naoise1: re-read your post in this thread and then try to answer your own question. In addition to that, you continue to give bad advice on these forums. This is coming from someone who has been here longer than you and is doing significantly better than you. “honors chem is easier than regular cause i overheard some people in my dorm…” “i wouldn’t pick your housing location based on proximity to classes…” Honestly, it’s like you’re just making this stuff up as you go along.</p>
<p>johokat: Someone who scored 1500/2400 on the SAT telling me that SAT doesn’t measure intelligence…what a surprise. I think you need to re-evaluate your credentials vs mine. Right now you’d be lucky to even get into Rutgers. I’ve nearly finished my degree. I’m not sure what gave you the impression I was average or 17…then again, with that type of deductive ability, it’s no surprise you couldn’t do well on a very basic standardized test. Keep trying to rationalize your poor test scores and low intelligence.</p>
<p>herothydragon - How did I contradict myself? There is a massive gap between the time investment needed at the highschool level and the community college level - both are easy, but college courses period (even at the community level) are structured in a way that time investment is a necessity. It doesn’t make doing well at that level any more of an accomplishment. And an even semi-intelligent person, slacker or no, would do good on the SAT with or without practice. Oh, and stop trying so hard to bolster the credibility of community college courses. Nobody who matters is going to buy it. </p>
<p>noise, part 2: Back for more? I find it odd you would start an argument and then ask why I “care so much”. I am only responding to your arguments. If you can’t debate rationally, don’t do so at all. Calling me sir is kind of lame and your continued attempts to make your academic achievments (or lack thereof) bigger than they really are is amusing, but embarressing. And you and I are not at anywhere near the same level of intellect, that much is obvious. You didn’t come close to my SAT score (you may think the difference is only 150-200 points but the gradient of difficulty at that level speaks volumes about ability), you struggled through a relatively basic writing requisite, and your arguments here (in this thread and otherwise) are poorly formed and indicate inadequate reasoning and logic skills. If you want to be at my level, try performing at my level. Good luck catching up.</p>
<p>You actually read the NYP out of your own free will?</p>
<p>“johokat: Someone who scored 1500/2400 on the SAT telling me that SAT doesn’t measure intelligence…what a surprise. I think you need to re-evaluate your credentials vs mine. Right now you’d be lucky to even get into Rutgers. I’ve nearly finished my degree. I’m not sure what gave you the impression I was average or 17…then again, with that type of deductive ability, it’s no surprise you couldn’t do well on a very basic standardized test. Keep trying to rationalize your poor test scores and low intelligence.”</p>
<p>You’re stupid. But of course you can’t come up with anything reasonable to say after my post because it shot down whatever you had to say.</p>
<p>I hope you’re not going for law school, you wouldn’t succeed. Heck, don’t even bother with grad school.</p>
<p>A rebuttal that begins with “You’re stupid” followed by “But of course you can’t come up with anything reasonable to say”.</p>
<p>Sweet irony.</p>
<p>Like I said, keep rationalizing. Your lack of intelligence is prominent in both conversation and academics - so you’ll have to excuse me if I’m a bit hesitant about taking advice from such a wise, esteemed student such as yourself. Kids like you are a dime a dozen - “oh, I’m actually really smart/capable, I’m just lazy/never try which is the only reason why I don’t do good at…”. Fooling yourself is easy, others, not so much.</p>
<p>From Dictionary.com:</p>
<p>Intelligence:
- capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
- manifestation of a high mental capacity</p>
<p>Carbonate. No one thinks you’re intelligent. You’re average. With the way you act, the only thing obviously going for you is grades. You obviously have no social skills with the way you carry yourself on this forum.</p>
<p>You’re going no where in life and no one thinks highly of you.</p>
<p>Keep clinging onto your high school SAT scores and GPA, maybe it will matter some day.</p>
<p>Congratulations on your use of dictionairy.com. Unfortunately, you aren’t making any points by defining the word, other than assuring us you’ve double checked its definition in case you were confused (which must happen a lot). </p>
<p>As for who thinks I’m intelligent, if I’m ‘average’, what I have going for me, where I’m going in life etc - there’s just too many assumptions on your part to draw any real conclusions, and it’s become pretty clear that you’re grasping at straws because I made you look like an idiot and now you’re mad. If it wasn’t obvious enough in your test scores, or by the way you try to make points on here, it becomes so when you try to do things like guage my social skill based on internet forum posts. </p>
<p>Had a big lol @ the part about SAT scores and GPA not mattering in life, though. Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will feel better about the fact that the only thing you’re qualified to do right now is bag my groceries.</p>
<p>“Keep telling yourself that and maybe you will feel better about the fact that the only thing you’re qualified to do right now is bag my groceries.”</p>
<p>carbonate, you may be intelligent, but you are by far the most disrespectful person on this forum. this place was perfectly civil before you came on here and started insulting everybody. have a sense of decency, or please leave. no one wants you or your rude comments here. and you spelled dictionary wrong. sweet, sweet irony.</p>
<p>Again, assumptions. You have no right to be speaking for anyone but yourself. Perhaps what I said was a bit abrasive, but unlike a large majority of the posts on this forum, I also happen to know what I’m talking about. If people want to be coddled and misinformed they can feel free to skip over my posts - I’m informative and I tell it like it is. Clearly some of you, despite being of college age, cannot handle that.</p>
<p>A typo? OH NO, I hope my expos professor isn’t grading my posts! It’s a forum, typos happen, get over it. Sweet, sweet fail.</p>
<p>I don’t think Michael Jackson would want us to bicker like this if he were still alive. </p>
<p>If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
It’s Gonna Feel Real Good!
Come On!
You’ve Got To Stop It.
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Man In The Mirror</p>