Questions on Relationships, Marriage, Divorce

“Funny thing. In ways, he was there all along. Though we met in grad school across the country, he grew up in the next town to where my grandparents lived. I didn’t know til I met him that we’d been to the same places, ate at the same Chinese restaurant, etc. In important ways, this gave us a similar “frame of reference.””

Same with us–My H grew up 9 miles down the road but never met. Different HS and a year apart.
The first time I met H’s roommate (his best friend) though I was shocked–I already knew him!

(Maybe that was like a “stamp of approval”)

My husband didn’t grow up anywhere near me but we share the same core values which sure helps a lot.

Other advice:
Marry your best friend.
Live together first.

I’ve been married 20-25 years. (Keeping it vague for privacy - I do know my anniversary. I swear!) I am also my husband’s second wife. (Wish I could say trophy wife, but he’s only 3 years older than me.) He married his college girlfriend right after graduation because it felt like the right next step. Several of his friends were getting married as well (one got married while an undergrad) and while he did love her, he admits he felt a little pressure to get married. Marriage should be because it’s the right person, not because it’s the right thing to do.

I’m an introvert and I used to tell people that I’ll know I’ve found the right person when I find someone I want to be with more than I want to be alone. I feel that way about my husband. There honestly is no one I would rather go through this journey of life with. (Not that I don’t still want to be alone some times…) It was not love at first sight. He had to be a little persistent to get me to go out with him in the first place. I almost dropped him when I learned he was already divorced at age 25. We dated for a little over a year when he made a comment one day about not needing to buy something because I owned. It got us talking and to realize that when either of us pictured our future, the other was always in it. I still feel that way - I just can’t picture my life without him in it. He says it was different than he felt the first time he got engaged, which is why he was able to do this after the pain of divorce.

Hmmmm. While I think there is value in compatibility, DH and I had all the red flags that most say don’t portend well for longevity but they haven’t interfered with our love one bit. We don’t share religious, financial, family, political, or lifestyle values/traits. We just agree to consider those differences charming.

@choatiemom brings up a good point. Different people have different “make or break” criteria- and that’s OK! For me, I could never ever be with someone who has significantly different politics and religion from me. For example, I’m an atheist and could never be with someone who makes religion a central part of their lives. Mr R is not nearly as spiteful towards religion as I am but he’s on board with not baptizing our children just to please his parents.

On the other hand, we have pretty different views on money and different work ethics/life goals. They compliment each other very well but they are very different.

Married 25 years here.

1.) How do you know when you’ve found the right person? What did it feel like? Were you just blown away at first meeting them or did you just figure it was time to have some kids and just found someone you could live with?

It was not love at first sight for me. He grew on me quickly though. Back in the day before cell phones he would call me and we’d talk on the phone for hours. He also pursued me, I never wondered if he’d call, if we had plans for the weekend, etc. I was 24 and not thinking about getting married. He was 26 and pretty early on said I’m not looking for casual at this point, if being in a relationship with the potential for getting married isn’t appealing to you, let’s not move forward. I nearly broke up with him over that - lol

2.) Were you scared that once you got married that you would feel trapped and then not know how to get back out of it? I never felt like it was a trap. This isn’t the early days of being unable to get divorced, but I didn’t get married thinking of it as “trapped”. I wanted to live my life with him and I was excited to get married, though I honestly can say at that point I didn’t really get what it would mean to share a life. I remember shortly after getting married seeing him walk to the bathroom one night and thinking, when is he going to go home?

3.) Is taking responsibility for someone else (wife, kids) scary? Did you ever doubt your ability to be able to do that? I don’t think we felt we were responsible for someone else, we went in it as a team. Now, kids, yes, that was scary. I remember when they were discharging me from the hospital I kept thinking, wait a second, that’s it? You’re just letting me leave the hospital with a human baby? I have no idea how to take care of a baby!! But you just deal with the next thing. First you master how to change a diaper, etc.

4.) How do you find someone who still likes you even though they live with you and know about everything you do that’s irritating and mildly disgusting? Well, it’s not sunshine and roses every second. But when you’re young and newly married and in love you learn to accept things about the other person. You get to a point where you are just comfortable with someone and you love them and accept them and they accept you. As I sit here in workout pants, a t-shirt, cheetah print slippers and no make up. And my husband just walked by and told me how pretty I was.

5.) How do you keep from getting bored with the same person for all that time? My mom used to say bored people are boring. My husband and I also run a business together, we have kids, our interests evolve over time. We’re busy living life, not looking to be entertained. But over time you develop habits and interests together. We went to a wedding over the holidays. At the rehearsal dinner I noticed a skank hitting on him. Poor hubby is just oblivious. At the reception she dragged him into dancing with her, he’s so polite he didn’t want to make a scene and she literally propositioned him - ie no one would have to know. Poor guy just said no thanks and walked away. I am never worried about either of us cheating. I just know us.

We are successful because we came into it with similar goals and values. We also both said divorce wasn’t an option. We did pre-marital counseling, but had already talked about almost everything.

I agree that marrying your best friend is great–that’s what H and I did. We did NOT ever live together until we were married and I don’t feel that impaired our relationship at all. It was just what we preferred. Having similar goals and values is VERY helpful and sure reduces arguments about core things, especially when things get challenging. We had our 1st kid within 2 years after we married because my OB/GYN said now or never. Our 2nd child was born 2 years after that. Kids definitely change things, but we are still close to one another and each of our kids.

Sorry to butt in, but I have a related question. A lot of you suggest (or don’t regret) living together first. I wouldn’t presume to tell others how to live their lives, but do any of you that have lived together first have any advice for those of us who would choose not to, for personal/religious reasons? And yeah, I’m still a teen and cannot realistically predict what I may or may not do in the next decade, personal beliefs aside.

“I wouldn’t presume to tell others how to live their lives, but do any of you that have lived together first have any advice for those of us who would choose not to, for personal/religious reasons?”

Maybe you should ask for advice from those who haven’t lived together before marriage as it would be more relevant to your situation. :slight_smile:

But those of you who haven’t lived together already missed out on the benefits of living together, so I’d imagine that it’d be harder to identify such.

Of course, it just occurred to me that the coin can flip either way… so that argument is lousy. :stuck_out_tongue:

@CharlotteLetter—as stated above, i didn’t live with H before we married. My sibs mostly didn’t live with their fiancées prior to marriage either and 2 of my 4 nieces didn’t live with their fiancées prior to marriage. All of us remain happily married (my sibs and I have all been married decades) and I don’t think it impaired anything in our respective marriages.

We didn’t live together, although as besotted 20 year olds we spent as much time together as we could get away with.
42 years later , still in love

Make sure you know your future spouse really well. Date a long time. Live with him/her if you want to. You can learn a lot about a person by how they treat children and animals.

I met my husband when I was a junior and he was a sophomore in college. We didn’t get married until 7 years later. 34 years this August. One of those years I was traveling around the country and three of them we were on opposite coast during term time for grad school

1.) How do you know when you’ve found the right person? What did it feel like? Were you just blown away at first meeting them or did you just figure it was time to have some kids and just found someone you could live with?

He knew from the beginning I was less sure. I had a boyfriend, doing a junior year abroad and being attracted to someone else was not part of my plans. It turned out the boyfriend found the woman he married that year too.

2.) Were you scared that once you got married that you would feel trapped and then not know how to get back out of it?

Not really. By the time we got married we were way past the infatuation stage. He was my best friend, but I also know how to live with his quirks and vice versa. I worried most that he loved me more than I loved him.

3.) Is taking responsibility for someone else (wife, kids) scary? Did you ever doubt your ability to be able to do that?

No. The decision to have kids is scary. I was sure about that, my husband less so. But once they were there, he was a fabulous Dad.

4.) How do you find someone who still likes you even though they live with you and know about everything you do that’s irritating and mildly disgusting?

Well there’s the vice versa part of that equation. You put up with the stuff that drives you crazy. Sometimes if it’s annoying enough they make efforts to change. It took years, but we no longer fight about the dishwasher.

5.) How do you keep from getting bored with the same person for all that time?

People change. Jobs change. Interests change. Kids change the relationship. What we do for fun changes. Sometimes we get in a rut. And we make an effort to get out of it. I miss the infatuation days sometimes, but I’m not bored.

Actually, I find it important to see how people treat ALL other people (and animals) they interact with–their family, children, elderly, food service workers, etc. It gives you a broader view of the individual and more insight into their character. There have not been any major surprises in our life since we married, even though we didn’t live together before we married.

This is a really powerful thread. Long term relationships seem to be part good luck, and part good ability to understand and implement what is needed to sustain the relationship. I have told my own daughter, who is in a first relationship with a wonderful boyfriend, that it is important to recognize that there will be growth and changes, and to be prepared to adjust accordingly. Be open, communicate, and alwayshe remember what attracted you to the person in the first place. There’s no magic, just mutual respect, and accepting that love and the priority of each other is important. Sometimes I can’t believe that my husband and I have sustained 37 years, and sometimes I can’t imagine anything else.

1.) How do you know when you’ve found the right person? What did it feel like? Were you just blown away at first meeting them or did you just figure it was time to have some kids and just found someone you could live with?

I didn’t know if he was the “right person.” I still don’t know after almost 42 years of marriage. He asked me out after we had already known each other casually for a year. I had no great interest in him, but I was pleased to be asked because I didn’t get to date much (I had really, really bad acne and even worse social skills). The relationship was OK but not spectacularly wonderful, but neither of us ever ended it, probably because we are both introverts who find settling for a less-than-perfect relationship to be a lot less painful than going out on dates with new people. After four years, we got married because at that point it would have been weird not to. (Sorry, I know this isn’t romantic. But it’s real.)

2.) Were you scared that once you got married that you would feel trapped and then not know how to get back out of it?

Not in the slightest. I watched my mother get divorced three times. My husband’s parents got divorced during the period when we were dating. The word “trapped” never crossed my mind. I’m actually quite astonished that we have stayed married for more than 40 years. Nobody else in either of our families in a couple of generations has managed that.

3.) Is taking responsibility for someone else (wife, kids) scary? Did you ever doubt your ability to be able to do that?

The decision to have kids was so scary that we waited 10 years after our wedding to do it. We simply didn’t feel grown up enough at first. We didn’t consider marriage to be “taking responsibility for someone else.” Marriage = easy. Kids = hard.

4.) How do you find someone who still likes you even though they live with you and know about everything you do that’s irritating and mildly disgusting?

Time. We dated for 4 years before getting married. If we were dating today, we would almost certainly have lived together. I’m a big fan of people living together before they get married, but in our era, it was an unconventional thing to do, and we are conventional people.

5.) How do you keep from getting bored with the same person for all that time?

I’ve actually never thought about this issue. Maybe it’s not something that bothers introverts?

1.) How do you know when you’ve found the right person? What did it feel like? Were you just blown away at first meeting them or did you just figure it was time to have some kids and just found someone you could live with?

----I didn’t know whether I had found the right person or not. My mother died rather suddenly when I was in college, my father was estranged from the family, and I felt like I didn’t have a safety net when I graduated from college. It was a confusing time in my life filled with a lot of uncertainty & a desire for immediate security.

At one of my first jobs, I met my future H. He was here by himself, from another country, working hard to send money back home to his mom and younger siblings. We were soon inseparable. Moved in together (too) quickly.

I think if my mom hadn’t died, if my life felt more secure, if I didn’t feel all that financial pressure of being a 22 yo on my own with no net, I would have focused on better career prospects for myself and had a “big picture view”. Instead, it was really, really appealing to have an apartment (& expenses) to share with a kind, fun, hard-working handsome young man. I could count on him, when I felt like I had nobody. Once we were living together, it was very hard to consider other options that did not involve him. He was just not a bad guy, meaning, nothing bad happened that blew up the relationship early on. In hindsight, I think I should have gotten a female roommate to share expenses with, and dated him a lot longer before committing.

2.) Were you scared that once you got married that you would feel trapped and then not know how to get back out of it?

— No. I didn’t feel trapped until we had kids. Marriage is a serious business arrangement, and I feel very trapped in the business right now. I’m in my mid-50s with 2 children.

3.) Is taking responsibility for someone else (wife, kids) scary? Did you ever doubt your ability to be able to do that?

—One could argue that H & I made a good team re: doing the best we could to provide for our family and raise our kids, even if we have been unable to meet each other’s emotional needs and companionship needs.

Financial stress (unemployment, then underemployment, plus expenses) is the only thing that made me seriously doubt our ability to provide the important stuff: medical & mental health stuff, schooling, roof over head. I do wonder sometimes if we would be much happier together if we had more disposable income and a lot less financial stress. We are both married to work. The financial stress, him feeling that no matter how hard he works is “not enough” wears on a person, me feeling like I’m working full time AND responsible for “everything else” wears on a person. Add problems with kids & sometimes it means all you’re talking about is stressful stuff and you are not a source of joy for one another any longer. There was no way my 22 yo self would have been able to understand what this can feel like +30 years in. Mid-life can bring a lot of uncomfortable feelings of regret, mortality, wanting a do-over —even in good relationships mid-life can mess with your head.

4.) How do you find someone who still likes you even though they live with you and know about everything you do that’s irritating and mildly disgusting?

–You become family. You may not like each all the time, but that person is family.

5.) How do you keep from getting bored with the same person for all that time?

–Usually people have other friends, work, interests. Surely you have very good friends that occasionally bore you?
People are not disposable. You just work through it. Life is not boring.

My wife and I have known each other for at least 41 years (we disagree on when we met), have been together for nearly 40 years, and married for 34+ years. We went to the same college, one year apart, but our social circles barely intersected. During the 5+ years we were involved pre-marriage, we only lived in the same place for about 22 months, and during those 22 months we lived together.

  1. Love at first sight? In my case, it was certainly interest at first sight, or first meaningful sight. Something clicked and said "Pay attention to that girl. She isn't your type, but maybe she's what ought to be your type." I was going though a period of realizing that my expectations of women were kind of screwed up, and trying to imagine what a healthy relationship might be. I was great at getting crushes on women, confident that a fair number of them would be attracted to me, and pretty awful at figuring out what to do with them if they responded in kind (a common problem, unfortunately, for young men). I had had one steady girlfriend in high school for over a year, but always felt ambivalent about her, and after that I went five years with no relationship that progressed to sex lasting longer than 6 weeks.

In some ways I was really romantic, and in others completely un-romantic and analytical. I thought the world was full of wonderful women I could fall in love with; I never had any idea that there was only one woman in the world for me. At the time I met my wife, I was trying to focus on what was lovable about each person I met, male or female, so it was not hard at all for me to fall in love. I knew that at some point I would have to commit to being in love with just one person, or at least to having a full relationship with only one person. At the very least, I wanted to get some practice doing that, since I knew I was terrible at it. But I always thought that commitment decision was more or less intellectual.

My future wife was in a totally different place. She liked me (we became friends, but not close friends), she basically knew that I had romantic interest in her, but she thought I was confused about what I wanted and was not a good prospect for a relationship. (Early in our relationship, she would tell me she had had no idea I was trying to court her. But years later, when her mother came to live with us, I got to read the letters she had been writing to her parents from college. There was lots of discussion about why she didn’t want to pursue a relationship with me, which of course showed she had a high degree of interest.) She was super-busy, a BWOC and involved in 50 projects all the time, plus working much harder than I on classes, and she wasn’t interested in wasting a lot of time on romance. She had a long-distance relationship that she was not very committed to, but that basically protected her from having to think about coupling day-to-day.

It wasn’t until I had committed to graduate school on the opposite coast, said goodbye to her forever, graduated, and left, that she ended her existing relationship and wrote me a letter proposing that we spend a weekend together. We did. I want to say “that was it!”, but that wasn’t it. It took a couple of years – one apart, one together – to get fully committed to the relationship as a permanent one. But from before that first official date it was clear that this was something serious, not a random hook-up. And we never would have stayed together had she not decided to come to California after she graduated, with no job, no real contacts, just a backpack with some clothes and a few hundred dollars. That was incredibly brave/stupid on her part. If her parents hadn’t been consumed by divorcing one another, they would have figured out a way to stop her, I’m sure.

  1. Scared about being trapped? At first, yes. By the time we married, no. We were going to live our lives together, and the marriage was to show our families and friends that we meant it.
  2. I never thought I was taking responsibility for my wife. She may have thought she was taking responsibility for me, but that's what she does. She's a CEO personality. A big part of the marriage was sharing responsibility for children, emotions, families, each other's needs. Laundry, dogs.
  3. If you live together, before or after marriage, there aren't going to be any secrets for long. Having a complete, committed relationship, unlike a date, means having a relationship with a real person, not an image, brand, bit of performance art. It's not hard to figure that out. If that's what both parties want, they do it. If you are going to fall out of love with someone because they poop or maybe have some OCD (or they with you), you weren't anywhere near in love to begin with.
  4. There's lots to do in lives and careers. I've been annoyed plenty, but never really bored.

Part of why our relationship works is that it turned out we had very similar attitudes about lots of important things. We were lucky in that – neither of us had any tick lists, and we never did counseling. Part of it is that we care about each other enough to respect the other’s attitudes and reactions in those areas where our attitudes and approaches differ. We have each done a lot of adapting to the other over time. And part is that some of our strengths and weaknesses are complementary. She’s great at handling finances and I’m not, so she does. I don’t hold grudges, so I am pretty much Secretary of State.

We spent so much time together that we might as well have been living together. But the advantage to NOT living together is when you get mad at each other one of you can just go back to their own place.

We do have one great compatibility–neither of us can stay mad very long. And we both know when to keep quiet…