No, absolutely not. She was in the IB program and there was NO talk of that. She graduated in the top 1% of her class of nearly 700 students, of which 1 1/5% were black.
And why would I be uncomfortable on Buford Highway? I am a Caucasian woman who grew up in SoCal. I was not brought up to see color or race. South Georgia is a different culture than I know.
Thanks for answering my question. I can now say with near certainty that your daughter and I attended very different types of high schools. You see, I didn’t go to a nearly all-white high school in South Georgia, and Asian students did not even reach one percent. As I said, there were slightly more black students than white students. My graduating class was less than half of 700.
So if you, florida26, or anyone else wants to imply or outright state that I never knew any blacks in high school and had never interacted with any blacks in high school, you can do that. And you’d be 100% wrong.
Ask yourself this: who exactly are you “looking out for”? You certainly aren’t looking out for the black students I went to high school with. They didn’t apply to “HYPSM etc.”
You want to make sure other students who are like your daughter don’t get lost through the cracks? Well, gee, if your daughter was top 1% of a class of nearly 700 at a school with an IB program and was a 2280 “one and done,” and your daughter wasn’t special, looks like we don’t need affirmative action. At all. If there are so many highly qualified black students like your daughter, what is the point of racial preferences?
Same reason you think I’m racist and misogynist.
But you are.
Nope. But rest assured, I feel the same way about you, ma’am. And how about an answer to my question as to who it is, exactly, that you think you’re looking out for?
The point is that black students from YOUR HS need a leg up, and other students could benefit from them. i have been to South Georgia, and MY time there was less than welcoming…racists and bigots. I was threatened with a shotgun at a gas station in South Georgia for having a bi racial child. Of course, all of that part of the state is not like that, but it scared me enough to never go back. Are you telling me that there were NO URM students at your school that with AA could go to a top school, flourish and add a different cultural diversity? Or would you rather go to a school that is homogeneous?
Thanks for the answer. You use people who basically have no interest in attending “top schools” to create a palatable illusion that “affirmative action” is about helping the “disadvantaged” when really, you are just looking out for your own personal interests (i.e. your children) and supporting a policy that makes it easier for them to be admitted to “top schools.”
That’s totally fine, ma’am. I have no problem with that whatsoever. Just have the HONESTY to admit that and don’t get uptight when Asians do the same thing. Spare me your self-righteous BS; that’s all I ask, ma’am.
I’m telling you that the vast majority of “underrepresented” minority students had no interest in attending “top schools,” and the same was true for the vast majority of white students. I come from a part of the state where most students want to go to UGA or barring that, Georgia Southern.
So please, ma’am, stop using the black students I went to high school to create a palatable illusion that “affirmative action” is about helping the less fortunate who just need a “leg up.”
Are you from the hell hole Valdosta? If you are, I will have to give you a semi pass for being rude.
Kind of funny that you mention Valdosta considering that a former (white) co-worker of mine is from there and has a black significant other.
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You can take that semi pass. You need it more than I do, ma’am.
GAMom If “The point is that black students from YOUR HS need a leg up, and other students could benefit from” AA why did none from fabrizio’s school apply to the elite schools who generally are from LOW SES when the vast majority of the AA students are from upper SES at elite schools?
Interestingly you also stated “My D was not an inner city kid, but did come from a home with a yearly income that was abysmal. Her one week of studying with a book checked out from the library did her just fine”. So you are stating that money is not needed to study and do well on the SAT which contradicts the many posters who claim that the SAT is only a measure of wealth. If your black daughter can score high on the SAT why can’t other URMs do the same?
And why do you believe that Asians who score high on the SAT are study drones when you pointed out that being a study drone is not necessary to score high on the SAT?
Sounds like you just like the idea of giving your daughter a leg up for reasons of self-interest at the expense of others, even though in your case, your daughter did not need AA to get into the elite schools. All she needed was good old fashioned hard work and the color of her skin was irrelevant.
Here is another interesting statistic In Calif whites on average score better on AP tests than asians. So lets use a little of fabrizios logic . The ivies should have 240 per cent of their student body as white. Or maybe the number of asians at the ivies is way too high and should be cut back. SAT scores are not the the ultimate statistic for all decisions for college. When my child was picking their college diversity of the student body was a very important factor to them. The US does not believe exams like the gao kao where students in china can spend a whole year studying 10 hours a day every day of the year is a good thing. 79 kids in China committed suicide last year because of their test taking insanity. That is not what I want for my kids. AA makes for a better society . It makes for one in which everyone is given more of a chance
Do you bother to do any thinking at all before you start touching virtual keys on your iPad? First you say that without affirmative action, top schools are going to be too Asian. Now you say that actually, Asians are only “overrepresented” seemingly because of affirmative action. Hey, if this means you want to do away with affirmative action, great!
So if a school considers SAT, GPA, extracurriculars, essays, and recommdations but not racial classification, this school’s admissions system is no different from the Chinese (or more broadly, every country in the world except for the U.S.) system? Your logical reasoning ability seems to be nonexistent.
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Ironically, the Chinese actually have an affirmative action system for minorities.
Fabrizio your bullying tactics will not work with me. They may work with your coworkers who have to put up with your nonsense. You need to work on your professionalism. You would be well served.
Why dont you try putting some facts in your arguments Maybe you can tell us how not helping women makes for a better society. Lets take this a step further. Do you also believe that special accommodations for the disabled is wrong???
It continually baffles me why you and so many defenders of racial preferences expect to be treated “professionally” when you do not do the same for me. Has arguing for unequal treatment for so long made you forget what the golden rule is? I assure you that it’s really a quite sensible way of living life.
Equal treatment certainly makes for a better society. I fail to see how racial and gender preferences make for a better society, and it’s hilarious in a sad way that you don’t seem to realize that you have just compared racial classification and gender to disability.
Let me just get one thing clear: are you actually trying to say that the “overrepresentation” of Asians is due to “affirmative action”?
I will try again. Do you believe special accommodations and privileges for the disabled is also wrong?
florida26 Are you saying that special education kids with low IQ should be granted special accommodation and privileges to top colleges?
Of course not. Are you actually trying to say that racial classification and gender are disabilities?
VOR, how on earth did you come up with your question in post 1715 from what florida26 wrote in 1714? Reading comprehension is definitely not your strong suit.
GAMom Isn’t that what florida26 stated by comparing racial classification and gender with disabilities given what he wrote in post 1712?
No, it isn’t what he said. He asked about " accommodations for the.disabled" and you took that to “special education kids with low IQ’s.” Yep, that is the same thing. :^o