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<p>And I don’t believe it’s an exaggeration. For Yale, it’s only 8% Hispanic right now, which is about half of Hispanic representation in the US. If you eliminate race altogether, Asians and Whites will completely dominate, and URM communites at these schools will nearly perish, save for the wealthy loophole folks that I mentioned earlier.</p>
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Should top universities mimic the makeup of our nation in other ways as well? If you’re going to insist that a school’s racial make-up be similar to the nation’s, why not it’s gender makeup? Socioeconomic makeup? Intelligence (however you choose to define it) makeup? Geographic makeup? Which-Sport-Teams-They-Root-For makeup?</p>
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<p>Don’t be dramatic. Intelligence makeup? Okay, so then Harvard will consist of over 30% high school dropouts.</p>
<p>I already stated that the system needs to be realigned so that wealthy URMs are given no benefits. But if you eliminate race altogether, low class Latinos and African Americans are going to be sized up right next to Whites and Asians, on almost all socioeconomic levels, who are much more impressive stats-wise than them because they grew up in more stable homes with parents that pushed them to work harder.</p>
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Yes but even in offering your suggestion, I believe you said (or something on this thread said) that low-income URMs should be favored over low-income Asians/Whites. I’m all for socioeconomic AA, but I disagree vehemently with anyone who insists that maintaining a proper “racial makeup” should be a priority of top universities.</p>
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<p>I have always hesitated to stereotype my race or others. But I will not hesitate with this.</p>
<p>Low-income URMs, in almost all cases, face more hardship than low-income Whites and Asians. You can deny it, you can be enraged, you can counter all you want. It’s true.</p>
<p>Do you really think a poor African-American man has it just as easy as a poor White man? You’re kidding yourself if you think that’s the truth. Similarly, a poor Mexican boy will in most cases face more racism and violence than a poor Chinese kid. This is beyond the bound of stereotypes: it’s almost always truth. Especially with African Americans.</p>
<p>“Now, what colleges see when they look at an asian student is one who was pushed all his life by helicopter parents who are obsessed with prestige, i am not saying i agree with this stereotype, but when asian students have nothing to offer beside soul-less overachieving, it makes them less desirable to colleges.”</p>
<p>Excuse my language but I am so ******** tired of this BS.</p>
<p>How much your parents push you isn’t a large factor in an applicant’s stats. Even if it is, which URM’s out of their whole population are the ones that go to top schools?</p>
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I definitely agree that low income minorities have it worse than low income whites. But please explain to me why a low income Hispanic/African-American would face more racism/violence than a low income Asian kid? What is the only race in U.S. history to have a law specifically barring them from immigrating? (See Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882). How many Asian Cabinet members are there? How many Asians on the Supreme Court? You show me MS-13 causing Hispanic violence, I give you the Triad.</p>
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<p>This conclusion was reached based on what I’ve experienced in my life. If an Asian is discriminated against, it’s typically in a humorous manner that everyone, including the person of Asian race, finds funny. I have never encountered true racism against Asians, whereas I’ve encountered plenty for Hispanics/Afr. Americans.</p>
<p>If colleges eliminate race as a factor, a nation that is 5% Asian American will be represented at least eight times over in its top schools, while a nation that is 28% URM will represent less than 5% of HYPSM’s population. That’s completely unfair, and that’s why mid-to-low-income URMs should be given a priority.</p>
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Please explain.</p>
<p>“Now, what colleges see when they look at an asian student is one who was pushed all his life by helicopter parents who are obsessed with prestige, i am not saying i agree with this stereotype, but when asian students have nothing to offer beside soul-less overachieving, it makes them less desirable to colleges.”</p>
<p>I am not into much of this race discussion but some ignorant comment like this make me so angry.</p>
<p>I tell my child to WORK HARD and DO HIS BEST.
I tell my child to RESPECT EDUCATION.
I tell my child to BE RESPONSIBLE and DON’T BLAME OTHER PEOPLE.</p>
<p>I guess I am an Asian helicopter parents.</p>
<p>“… but when asian students have nothing to offer beside soul-less overachieving, it makes them less desirable to colleges.”</p>
<p>So, here is my question.
What do African Americans and Hispanics offer to colleges?</p>
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<p>Jersey13, lots of it is the psychological impact of expectation. At my school, the Asian students are presumed to be intelligent; it is much easier to succeed under such circumstances. For the most part, the opposite is true for other minorities.</p>
<p>In response to the Asian stereotype:</p>
<p>I have a very close friend of mine who is Chinese. He is constantly pressured by his parents to do well, and has been under this pressure since kindergarten. He resents this pressure, but nevertheless is in the 10% of our class.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, am an Arab/Hispanic, my parents both being immigrants. I was always left on my own in terms of school. No pressure whatsoever. Although I succeeded, very few of my Hispanic/African American friends have. Most of us come from families where our parents simply don’t have the time to stand over us and dictate how important our academics are. Does that make all Asian parents ruthless tyrants? Absolutely not. In fact, very few are. But it is for this reason that so many more Asians are better prepared for college than URMs.</p>
<p>A few points I wish to make here:</p>
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<li>Talking about Asians are not discriminated against, lease go to this link ([Vincent</a> Chin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Chin]Vincent”>Vincent Chin - Wikipedia))</li>
<li>If we wish to implement Affirmative Action in College, what about let’s try it at NBA? Then we will see how many people will go to NBA games.</li>
<li>I have some very smart black and hispanic friends who are successful in life. The issue is not one of intelligence. It is the cultural environment they grow up in. Try to change the environment is the key to achieve real equality issue in a long run.</li>
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<p>Full disclosure: I am an Asian immigrant. Gotten my Ph.D. in this country over 20 years ago.</p>
<p>I want to point out that “Hispanics” are caucasian. They are european Spaniards.</p>
<p>“Latinos” is the term you want to use for Mexicans and Puerto RIcans and SA people. PLease stop interchanging the two terms.</p>
<p>jasonInNy, you are incorrect as per the U.S. Census Bureau: [Persons</a> of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm]Persons”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm).</p>
<p>Wow. More Asians get into colleges than other minorities because there are more qualified Asians, there are more qualified Asians because they work harder, they work harder because they care more. Why should that be counted against them? Unless you think other minorities actually genetically less intelligent and lazier asians, which I disagree with. </p>
<p>Stop Affirmative Action and let the top colleges be 40% asian, and don’t lose sleep over it because you can rest assured that the people in these colleges are the ones most deserving to be there based on the merit of their abilities. </p>
<p>“At my school, the Asian students are presumed to be intelligent; it is much easier to succeed under such circumstances. For the most part, the opposite is true for other minorities.”</p>
<p>Asian students are also perceived to be weaker, less athletic, nerdier, less socially capable, etc. while in my experience the opposite is true for most other minorities. </p>
<p>I thought the American education system was based on meritocracy, so what the **** is this AA bull****?</p>
<p>I had an Affirmative Action question:</p>
<p>I am a Caucasian Female hoping for the Ivies and other top-tier schools. Would it be more beneficial for me to omit my race than put white? Or will they assume that I am an ORM if I omit race, and therefore count it against me.</p>
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Er, no. In fact, a certain derogatory term aimed toward Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc. is derived from “Hispanic”.</p>
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ORM = Over Represented Minority. Caucasian =/= Minority.</p>