<p>When you compare results from particular high schools and particular regions, it’s clear that those of low SES have an edge over those of high SES when achievement is comparable. In that regard, such a candidate would do well to apply in the Early Round if a very low income but very high achieving candidate, and I do stress very in both phrases. </p>
<p>For example, in one Ivy’s early round a few years ago, in our very large “greater” metro region there were exactly 12 offers of admission in the early round. At first some people were shocked at such a small number for such a huge region, but when you do the math, that’s about right for the full representation in the country. Half of those offers were to URM’s, the other half were not. Of the 6 non-URM’s, at least two of those went to low-income students who were absolute stand-outs in several areas of accomplishment: extreme academics with national awards, extreme arts (several arts, not one) with national awards + being people of unusually generous personal character.</p>
<p>Btw, it’s probably been said, but southeast Asians are not considered ORM’s, but URM’s. So a southeast Asian who is both low-income (which is rather common, esp. with recent immigrants) + an outstanding student & talent & who has proven drive, definitely has an edge in the admission process at the elites.</p>
<p>For all schools with Enrollment Management concerns, such as most private LAC’s, being low-income is generally a liability in terms of the statistical probabilities of getting in, as most likely that student’s achievement can be matched by an equivalent applicant who has no need of financial aid and may even be a likely donor.</p>
<p>The Elite U’s are more racially, ethnically, and economically diverse than the LAC’s because the former can afford to be, given that some (not all) URM’s will also have financial need.</p>
<p>Harvard1009: I would think it would be very interesting to have you in a class. You will have some unique life experiences that will be a great addition. Best of luck.</p>
<p>Well what about Singaporean/Malaysian Chinese? Do they qualify as Southeast Asians or do the Americans just lump us with the PRC nationals?</p>
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<p>Disadvantage. You would have achieved more if your family had been better off. More ECs, more funding for hobbies and activities, more chance to build that breeder reactor in your backyard…</p>
<p>No one denies schools and culture may change how someone scores on the SAT etc. With that said, rich black students in the United States score lower than poor whites whose parents only have a HS diploma. The odds that children from the same culture and a higher income bracket are scoring lower because of schools and cultures is absurd.</p>
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<p>You are entitled to your opinion, and there is quite a bit of truth to what you are saying, but the way you phrased it makes it clear that you just want to start a heated debate about AA.</p>
<p>i always think its funny that asians, who are a minority, are hurt by AA because their various cultures all promote education and hard work, and because they manage to have large scale success without handholding.</p>
<p>I think it is a testament to their work ethic and talent. BUT the fact that many Asians succeed despite AA does not excuse the racism inherent in AA policies.</p>
<p>It would not surprise me to see that this is true, but once again, I would like to reiterate that the largest determinant of SAT scores isn’t socioeconomic status nor is it inherent intelligence pertaining to each ethnicity but rather ideological values held by each ethnicity.</p>
<p>Killbilly: your position isn’t new to college confidential. Search around and you’ll see ad nauseum threads that agree/disagree with you.</p>
<p>You’re not novel here.</p>
<p>One thing I’ll add to your overall statement: the top schools are actively searching for the stellar white or asian kid the poor/rural school. They spend lots of $ and manpower scouring for these. I posit that these kids (who, I think you’ll agree, are few in number) are HIGHLY sought after – much more than the middle/upper class african American kids.</p>
<p>Mon, what ideological values are those? Do you think that some vague cultural belief held by blacks who grow up in wealthy neighborhoods is holding them back… When they grow up among rich and cultured people? This seems pretty absurd to me , but I would love to see you substantiate this claim.</p>