<p>“BUT the fact that many Asians succeed despite AA does not excuse the racism inherent in AA policies”</p>
<p>i think the argument is that Asians get hit the hardest from AA. thats the problem</p>
<p>I know a lot of wealthy blacks from my private school who act like they are from compton. that might be what hes talking about.</p>
<p>Please substantiate your claim T26E4. I went to a rural hs and that did not seem to be the case.</p>
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<p>Despite growing amongst rich and “cultured” people, wealthy African-Americans will generally feel a stronger connection towards other members of their ethnicity. It is a phenomenon that can probably be best accounted for by the racial tensions in America.</p>
<p>I know I did read somewhere that African immigrants do very well on test scores. One explanation I can think of is that African immigrants do not face the same tensions that African-Americans face with American Caucasians because there is little racial conflict between the two throughout history.</p>
<p>And no, I don’t currently have substantial evidence to back this claim, but there are a few interesting speculations on this site suggesting a variety of plausible explanations:
[frontline:</a> secrets of the sat: the test score gap](<a href=“http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/etc/gap.html]frontline:”>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/etc/gap.html)
The bottom line is the gap probably has little or nothing to do with innate intelligence.</p>
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That is actually quite similar to what I am talking about. Maybe not necessarily acting gangster, but I do believe that African-Americans as a whole are dissuaded from pursuing academic excellence due to fear of being associated with the rich, preppy Caucasian crowd.</p>
<p>I posted the same link =D</p>
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Unlikely, though I can see how you would think that. The reason I think you’re wrong is that the average IQ of African nations is not higher and neither are the scores on other tests. I would argue that the immigrants we let in are the smartest and most talented. It’s not surprise that their children do better.</p>
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The reason these speculations is the psychometric data we have on Africa which points to a gap. I don’t think that our cultural problems would be having an effect on Africa, and I don’t think all of the cultures that exist there are similar enough to lead to the same results.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s unfair but top schools will have hundreds of minority kids to choose from and pick only the very best. Plenty of them get rejected. No, you can’t do anything about it. Stop complaining and get moving to make your application better.</p>
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I don’t see any point in using this as an argument.</p>
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I attend a top law school so my applications were just fine.</p>
<p>Why should we not protest an injustice? Do you think that African Americans should have accepted life was unfair and lived with the Jim Crow Laws?</p>
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<p>And yet you still posted it within the College Admissions forum.</p>
<p>Did you succinctly and sufficiently offer a response as to the question of why Sotomayor sucks yet?</p>
<p>Get over that hurdle first.</p>
<p>You do realize that if she is successfully appointed, affirmative action will have been validated? URM from single-parent household in impoverished urban ghetto, top of her high school class, goes on to Ivy League school, graduates at top of class with distinguished award, goes on to T3 law school, becomes Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.</p>
<p>You’d better get on top of that.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but i support AA(and i’m a lower middle class white girl).
Its not like blacks and Latinos are held to lower standards, it’s just that if a black and white applicant have the same stats, the black one gets preferred…</p>
<p>You people act like a black kid with 24 on his ACT can get into harvard just because he’s black…now THAT’S racist</p>
<p>I see no issue. White men have ruled this country forever and have gotten plenty of help in this world, its time for others to reap the benefits</p>
<p>killbilly: I know for a fact that Yale spends money and manpower sending out students to underserved areas (inner city schools, rural schools, schools that don’t normally send applicants to Ivies, etc.) as part of their commitment to finding “diamonds in the rough”.</p>
<p>Obviously, the country (and the world) is a big place and not every place can be directly recruited/marketed. It seems your school hasn’t gotten the personal touch. But feel lucky that you’re attuned enough to places like CC where you can personally investigate the offerings of top schools. I’d guess that many of your classmates aren’t doing the same.</p>
<p>That being said guess what? If you’re a top-performing academic student from an underserved area (your rural HS), now YOU’ll be the target of preferred admissions. How do you feel about that? </p>
<p>Being a rural applicant (white or not), if your file is the equivalent of that of a Jewish kid from NJ whose parents are professors or that of a Asian girl pianist/tennis player or the “normal” white guy who wrestles from Chicago – YOU’d be more attractive to schools that practice holistic admissions. How do you feel about that? Heck, if your metrics are even a tad weaker than the other 3 hypothetical examples, I posit that you’d still be preferred over them. </p>
<p>How does it feel to be on the receiving end of “preferred” status. Aren’t you HURTING them?</p>
<p>And i personally love Sontomeyer, much better pick then any of Bushes…(remember Harriet Meyers?)
I think she’ll be great…now if we can only get rid of Scalia, then the court will be in good shape.</p>
<p>What kind of world do you live in, Killbilly?</p>
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<p>I take it you don’t know how social dynamics works, do you?</p>
<p>Firstly, irrespective of race, the nouveaux riches are frequently resented by families of more established wealth and connection. </p>
<p>Secondly, as a person who <em>did</em> once live in a yuppie and prosperous town, you may grow up in some rich and preppy town, but that doesn’t mean you get integrated into one. My migrant family moved to Cape Elizabeth (I was like 5) because my father got moved from Singapore by his MNC. </p>
<p>Firstly, their children were racist like heck. I remember those good old “go back to China” days from playground schoolchildren of them rich Cape parents. (And I was never born in China – I was from Singapore).</p>
<p>Secondly, they respect minority families only when they have money. (But the whites are pretty chummy among themselves.)</p>
<p>The funny thing is that all our good neighbour friends suddenly stopped talking to us when my mother divorced my father for abuse (I was 10). Because my father was the breadwinner – that made the new household arrangement … poor.</p>
<p>Yup, spending my formative childhood years in that spoilt little town definitely made <em>me</em> identify with <em>that</em> culture! </p>
<p>I mean geez, I even speak with a Cape Elizabeth accent. Hell, it means I identify culturally with it, amirite???</p>
<p>It wasn’t just my family either – later on, I learnt that a lot of minority families (with rich professional parents) had the same issues, but we never knew that originally because the local press (owned by whites) wouldn’t cover things like that.</p>
<p>Have you ever read Malcolm X’s autobiography, Killbilly? Rich black people tried to move into rich white neighbourhoods since the 1930s, the 1960s… but such attempts were frequently resisted with laws, local ordinances … and even the Supreme Court can’t stop cultural shunning. </p>
<p>So what you effectively get are subpopulation divisions.</p>
<p>Do you take being from a majority culture for granted, Killbilly? Have you read Amartya Sen’s essays on “thick” cultural elements versus “thin” cultural elements? (If you haven’t, you definitely should – Amartya Sen was a Nobel Prize winner for Economics.) There are a myriad advantages that come with being a member of the majority culture that perhaps you are not familiar with, even when everything else is supposedly “equal”.</p>
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<p>There’s a lot more to AA than giving URMs a preference when all things are equal.</p>
<p>And you know, when the children are racist, you know that generally is a reflection of the parents…</p>
<p>You mustn’t underestimate the effect size of cultural / memetic inheritance.</p>
<p>Even poor white children enjoy a majority advantage. Surely you’ve read Roll of Thunder, Hear my Cry? Tell me – do you remember why were the poor whites even more racist than the rich ones?</p>
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Let’s be a bit more realistic; one story of success does not validate a practice that affects millions.</p>
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I responded to the posters in that thread</p>
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- AA into Princeton
- Do badly in classes first two years but do well in a latin studies specialized history major. since only major counts for special award, win award.
- AA into Yale Law School
- AA into into judgeship since you went to Yale
- Be picked by president because you’re hispanic and he wanted to play racial politics</p>
<p>Yeah, she sure proved that AA works</p>
<p>Also, she is one person. IOW you fail</p>