<p>So it’d be beneficial for an asian to check “Not Telling”. I don’t think so. Especially if your last name is Lee or Kim or Wang</p>
<p>I said possibly, based on what tokenadult have said.</p>
<p>there’s no way to confirm it though</p>
<p>What the hell do you mean “review me with lower standards?” are you trying to start a race war on these forums man?</p>
<p>you know what he means.</p>
<p>No, I don’t. Care to clarify?</p>
<p>please all, ignore username, he is not worth the response.</p>
<p>gah what’s with the animosity here?
Anyway, I’m an Asian, so would not checking be less of a detriment than admitting it?
My last name is chinese, but not that common.</p>
<p>welll what is your last name? if it sounds anything like chinese forget about checking “not telling”. The adcoms are just gonna think your just some cheap loser trying to avoid affirmative action</p>
<p>If you have a very Asian last name, it won’t. But since most applicants are white, the admission officers will probably just think you’re white too.</p>
<p>The chances that you get rejected solely for your race are slim to none. Be honest. If I were an adcom, I’d ■■■■■■■ at people who don’t fill it in.</p>
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<p>You know, someone who checked “not telling” (assuming they were assumed by the college to be an underrepresented minority would be cut more “slack,” if you will. Because it’s inevitable that some african americans are going to get admitted with lower numbers (but not all!) than white/asian people.</p>
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<p>It was my understanding (perhaps mistaken, but please let me know) that one can be an Orthodox Jew without being visibly distinguishable from most members of American society. (I can think of some prominent politicians who are described as “Orthodox” who could pass as members of the Protestant or Catholic “white” pluralities of the areas where they are elected to public office.) </p>
<p>If you are referring specifically to Jews such as Hasidim who have a distinctive pattern of dress, the question I would have is how one would determine “underrepresentation.” Is this having a smaller percentage of students from that group in a particular college than the NATIONAL percentage of that group in the overall national population, or is it having a smaller percentage state by state, or what? (My claim is that “underrepresented” is in part an ill-defined term. I invite clear definitions.) Who gathers statistics on an authoritative basis on how many different-looking Orthodox Jewish people there are in the United
States? That’s never, ever been a question on any federal Census survey. </p>
<p>I just posted a link a few days ago in this thread </p>
<p>[News:</a> Why More Colleges Want Jewish Students - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/10/29/jewish]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/10/29/jewish) </p>
<p>(which I think I originally learned about from another College Confidential participant) that addresses some issues related to this. But college probably vary quite a lot in how they treat their “underrepresented” categories, if any, and few colleges are very direct in how they write about this contentious issue.</p>
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<p>Your question has been merged into the FAQ thread, where the answer to your question, as much as it can be ascertained, is posted in the first few posts. </p>
<p>As of this application season, there is no such thing as a place to check “choose not to respond.” There is, by federal regulation, </p>
<p>[U.S</a>. Department of Education; Office of the Secretary; Final Guidance on Maintaining, Collecting, and Reporting Racial and Ethnic Data to the U.S. Department of Education [OS]](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html]U.S”>http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html) </p>
<p>just an optional ethnicity and race questionnaire in two parts: the first part asking about Hispanic or Latino ethnicity (check that or leave it blank) and a second part asking about the federally defined “race” groups </p>
<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>
<p>with an instruction substantially like “choose one or more.” But if you choose no response at all, [colleges</a> have no basis for guessing why you left the question blank[/ur]. And [url=<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865329-post4.html]many”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865329-post4.html]many</a> selective colleges admit many students who don’t respond to that question](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865405-post7.html]colleges”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062865405-post7.html), so colleges are used to this. </p>
<p>Whether or not this makes your chances “better” is very unclear, because colleges are unclear what admission factors have how much weight for which applicants. Many colleges claim to have a holistic admission process–ALL Common Application colleges make that claim, to join the Common Application club–so its’ deniable in each case what factors were considered with what what weight in making an individual admission decision. Investigation of this issue by independent researchers suggests that at some colleges student ethnicity is a weighty admission factor, but it’s still a fact that many students are admitted with no statement on their part about ethnic affiliation at all.</p>
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<p>do you think this may be a somewhat possible hypothesis, token?</p>
<p>If forced to guess, I would think one’s odds ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL as an unidentified applicant are indistinguishable from being a plurality applicant (that would usually be “white,” but might be “black” or “Asian” at some colleges) at the same college. But I don’t think high-quality evidence on this issue is available from most colleges.</p>
<p>I know it’s in Asia. But every time I say I’m Asian, people think I’m from China, Japan, Korea or some other eastern ‘Asian’ country. (Sorry, I don’t mean to offend anyone.) However, I’m from Pakistan and have been living in the USA for my entire life. In addition, if it helps, I’m trying to major in Civil Engineering/Structural Engineering. I have great grades and I’m planning for Princeton, MIT, Caltech, etc.</p>
<p>Would this change anything? Minority, etc…? Also, should I not even circle “Asian” as a race and leave it blank?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>I thought Middle-Eastern was considered white on the common app.</p>
<p>No no. I meant middle-eastern in Asia. The country of Pakistan to be specific. :o</p>
<p>Say one is half asian, half mexican. What group would the adcoms put you in? ORM or URM?</p>
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<p>You’re Asian by the federal rules. </p>
<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>
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<p>Good luck in your applications.</p>