Range-Rangetop-Cooktop

My range is dying, in reviewing options there are many ways I could do this. I have a downdraft which means the only range is the Kitchenaid/JennAir. I never have liked JennAir, not in the 80s in a condo, not this range. So I am exploring cooktops & rangetops, but it has been so long since I looked at this stuff, I am confused.
Back in the day manufacturers like Viking and Wolf were all the rage, apparently not so much now, true? The appliance store people are all talking Thermador, but some eviews on Houzz talk about issues with ability to get parts for repairs later.

Which manufacturers would you expect to see in a nice kitchen (for resale)?
Any comments on reliability or not?

If I put in a cooktop, I need to add a downdraft unit. I may need to trip a bit of granite out of the depth, how possible is that?

What about the countertop? I like granite, but is that passe? I mean, I need to do this with a mind toward the possibility we could sell in the next ten years so want it to not look like the houses I see online that scream “90s”, so what screams 2000s outdated?

Granite does seem to be passé here in SoCal for remodels and in new model homes. Most common solid surface is quartz.

Here in WA, quartz is also the rage. Some quartz looks like marble (check out Flip this house thread!) but without the negatives of marble. What screams 2000? Built-ins. Painted cabinets. Raised panels.

As far as appliances, go, Wolf still rules the pack. Viking is passe, Thermador and Miele are the new bright stars. I personally like both Thermador and Miele. In fact, I am researching the Miele stoves as we speak.

Let me find a few examples of what kitchens look like in a fancy new construction… Will be back.

I still really miss my 5-star range. http://www.fivestarrange.com/products/ranges

I’m pretty sure that’s what sold my last house.

Are you thinking induction? We have a downdraft in our weekend place and if we were to spend more time over there I’d go straight to induction (we run on electric with a propane backup generator).

Our home kitchen has quartz from 2004. Some of the newer quartz patterns are beautiful and easier to maintain than marble and granite. I’d do quartz again in a minute.

Am I correct, is the quartz man made with resin? Is it as bombproof like the best granite options?

Yes, that’s the stuff!

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Here is an example…

http://www.johnlscott.com/jls/modules/internet/search/includes/mapsearch/listingpopup.asp?mlsid=101&mlsnumber=1056761

Photo 6. Miele and quartz.

I think those waterfall countertops are going to scream 2010s someday, but they look great in that house. Granite has been a popular choice since the 80s and here in the NYC suburbs which tend to be conservative. Nearly every kitchen I’ve worked on has ended up using granite.

I talked to a high end kitchen store recently - he said nearly all the display kitchens are transitional or traditional in style because so few people will go for anything modern. My counters are a combination of soapstone and butcher block - they are perfect for me.

My stove is a Capital Culinarian. I like it because the only electronics it has is the ignition. I wanted something with no computers. http://www.capital-cooking.com/products/precision-36-manual-clean-range/

Odd man out here…we also will likely sell within 5-7 years. But in the meantime, anything we are getting done is for US to enjoy. I wanted granite…so I got granite. I wanted white appliances…so I got white appliances. I chose,the paint colors in the rooms…they are somewhat neutral, but are for us to enjoy while we live here.

The next owner can change things if they want to.

I agree that waterfalls will scream this particular decade. That home, imo, has so many features that will be dated in 10 years, but today it is what gets built here in my neck of the woods. I posted it to show a sample of quartz that looks like marble. I think it is the same as coralbrook got for her flip. Gorgeous.

Also agree with thumper. Do what you like if you want to live in the house and enjoy it for a while. Granite is fine, as long as you are ok with sealing it.

Granite and marble have been in use for many decades (or centuries in the case of ancient architecture and sculpture), particularly in Europe. They’ve already stood the test of time, IMHO. Some of the more distinct or colorful patterns will probably look dated, but understated colors like white and black or grey will look just fine in 20 years especially if you go with a simple edge treatment (I.e. eased). Natural stones hold up well because they’re a natural material. What will go out of style are man-made materials like Quartz because technology will advance as it always does and newer and better things will come along, just ask people with Corian from the mid-90’s. But for a stone mined out of the ground that’s been sitting around for millennia, well that’s hard to improve on.

There’s a lot of misperceptions about granite maintenance. True granites require zero maintenance, no sealing, etc. But not everything marked as granite is a true granite. Stoneyards will give you a sample to take home and play with. You should absolutely do this if you decide on granite. Take your sample and apply soy sauce, lemon juice, vinegar, and tomato sauce and let sit overnight. Wash off in the morning and examine under bright light for etching and staining. If you see any evidence of such, don’t get that particular granite. Darker granites like absolute black and uba tuba tend to be bulletproof and lighter granites less so. Although I have a white granite that is totally bulletproof and maintenance-free, so there’s no perfect rules.

Anyway to the OP’s original question, the type of cooktop really depends on the intended use and how you cook. If you don’t cook much then any old thing will do. If you wok you’ll want a high-BTU gas range or rangetop in the 15k+ Btu range (per burner). Although since you mentioned downdraft I suspect you won’t be wok’ing much as you’d smoke yourself out of the house. If you simmer a lot, especially delicate sauces, check the btu of the simmer setting, as high-btu plus low-btu on a single burner doesn’t always compute. Some rangetops have a special low-btu burner for simmering, while some like Wolf have a special stacked arrangement that supports both, or at least they used to.

If you like to have several pots going at once and move them around while cooking, then get a rangetop which has identical output from all the burners (although some have a special high-output wok burner). If you’re going electric then induction is great but you may need new pots/pans to work with it.

If your oven is below the cooking surface and you have gas then you could get a range, but then you have to choose between all-gas vs dual-fuel. Dual-fuel being significantly more expensive but baking with gas kinda sucks for serious bakers.

For brands I have a Viking rangetop and don’t like it (it’s been unreliable and Viking wasn’t very helpful). I do like Wolf and Dacor. Thermador I’m kinda iffy on, they’re just meh in my book. Jennair I’d avoid. I like kitchenaid appliances in general but have never had one of their gas ranges.

Apparently Kitchenaid and Jennair are now the same, along with Whirlpool, Maytag, and Amanda :frowning:

Maybe its my dated, New England taste but I wouldn’t buy that west coast kitchen. My preference is for natural materials - wood, marble, granite, soapstone.

I would also want gas. I’ve had Thermador for awhile and have been very happy with it.

I have lived for 17 years with a 30 inch, 4 burner gas Thermador cooktop and very happy about it.

I’ve got a built-in Wolf stove–gas, eight burners and a griddle. We built our house 13 years ago and it’s the one high-end appliance that I’ve never had to repair. A friend (who is a great home cook) recently renovated her kitchen and bought a Miele induction range-top. She says it’s better than a gas range. She has the 36 inch model.

https://www.mieleusa.com/domestic/induction-cooktops-1503.htm

@mathmom You have my ideal kitchen: soapstone and Capital Culinarion!

The first thing I would do is install a real hood in somemom’s kitchen. (I’m one of those people who uses a wok and cooks huge vats of stock and so forth.) Then get a pro style range, so that the broiler was also under the hood. I’d probably go for dual fuel, ideally. If not a pro range, a rangetop, in order to maximize burner space.

Again…odd man out.when we were doing our kitchen the first time…we had open options. My husband was VERY clear…and i agree. We do not live in a commercial establishment. We live in a home. Our kitchen doesn’t need to be like a commercial kitchen in any way.

I know lots of folks like that commercial kitchen look…with all,the stainless, and the big commercial stoves and hoods…but some folks like me like them in other people’s houses…but wouldn’t want them in MY house.

We don’t have stainless, we don’t have a huge range hood, we don’t have a gas stove. And oddly, we are able to cook regular people meals.

I LOVE my newer Dacor cook top with downdraft venting and Dacor convection ovens.
I had 30 year old Dacor appliances and decided to stick with the same brand when we remodeled 3 years ago.
They are less expensive than Viking, more reliable, made in the USA[!!] and are totally reliable. If you can wait until May to buy Dacor usually has promotions.
They are not as well known as the “fancy” brands, but who wants to pay extra for a companies advertising budget?

all my appliances have brushed steel finishes, granite counter tops are gray, with ivory and golden brown streaks that compliment our Oak floors and all cabinets are painted a warm white color.
Its very comfortable and inviting- not cold and sterile looking. .