Rank I use to measure colleges

<p>First thing I look at is rank in the majors I go into. I find that to be more important then overall rank. Next I look at number of majors that are among the top. This allows flexibility if I decide I want to change majors, while still attending a top program. Then finally, do I like the atmosphere of the school.</p>

<p>So here is how I choose colleges.</p>

<p>The Top 50 by Number of Disciplines Ranked</p>

<p>This list is confined to schools that were competitive for the overall top 40 and runners-up.</p>

<p>Rank School #in top 40</p>

<h1>Disciplines in top 40</h1>

<li> Stanford University 43</li>
<li> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 41</li>
<li> Indiana University, Bloomington 39</li>
<li> Ohio State University 39</li>
<li> Pennsylvania State University 39</li>
<li> University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 39</li>
<li> University of Washington, Seattle 39</li>
<li> University of Wisconsin, Madison 39</li>
<li> Cornell University 37</li>
<li> University of California, Berkeley 37</li>
<li> University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign 37</li>
<li> University of Texas, Austin 37</li>
<li> University of California, Los Angeles 36</li>
<li> University of Pennsylvania 36</li>
<li> University of Southern California 36</li>
<li> Columbia University 34</li>
<li> Johns Hopkins University 34</li>
<li> University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill 34</li>
<li> Duke University 33</li>
<li> Emory University 33</li>
<li> Rutgers University, New Brunswick 33</li>
<li> University of Iowa 33</li>
<li> University of California, Santa Barbara 32</li>
<li> University of Virginia 32</li>
<li> University of Colorado, Boulder 31</li>
<li> University of Massachussetts, Amherst 31</li>
<li> Brown University 30</li>
<li> Harvard University 30</li>
<li> Northwestern University 30</li>
<li> State University of New York, Stony Brook 30</li>
<li> University of Chicago 30</li>
<li> Yale University 30</li>
<li> California Institute of Technology 29</li>
<li> University of Arizona 29</li>
<li> University of California, San Diego 29</li>
<li> University of Maryland, College Park 28</li>
<li> University of Rochester 28</li>
<li> Texas A&M University 27</li>
<li> Washington University, St. Louis 27</li>
<li> City University of New York Graduate Center 26</li>
<li> University of California, Davis 26</li>
<li> Vanderbilt University 26</li>
<li> New York University 25</li>
<li> Purdue University 25</li>
<li> University of California, Irvine 24</li>
<li> Massachussetts Institute of Technology 23</li>
<li> North Carolina State University 23</li>
<li> Rice University 22</li>
<li> Case Western Reserve University 20</li>
<li> Princeton University 19</li>
<li> Carnegie-Mellon University 15</li>
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<p>good logic because we all know indiana is better than harvard.</p>

<p>Hey, don’t be messing with Indiana:) </p>

<p>IMO Harvard, isn’t worth attending for undergrad.</p>

<p>Well, it is obvious that public universities will have more majors than private LACs.</p>

<p>What does “ranked” mean? And what if Indiana has 39 ranked programs, but they are all ranked low, and Harvard has only 30 ranked programs but they are all ranked in the top 5? I don’t see how a wide range or mediocrity is better than a slightly less wide range of excellence. Btw, I just picked those two schools as examples and am not picking on Indiana.</p>

<p>The ONLY reason Harvard does poorly in relation to Stanford in this ranking scheme (which is bulshhhhh) is that it doesn’t have 20 different kinds of engineering. That is Stanford’s big advantage over the Ivy League. Now only if Harvard and MIT actually went through withat merger that they planned back in 1905.</p>

<p>GentlemanandScholar I do understand what you mean, and that is worth noting. Yes it’s a measure of top 40. Perhaps I should have bumped it up to top 25. This is more so to show that if you are unsure of what you want to major in, or think that you might switch to another college at a later time. Then you have a ton of top programs available to you. </p>

<p>Example: Say I enjoy engineering a lot. And I’m dead set on engineering. So I want to attend among the top for engineering. You get into Cal Tech, you’re happy, grades are good, and you enjoy the school. But then one day, you pick up say Beowulf, and find that you really love the book. And decided, well maybe what I’ve liked all this time, wasn’t really want I liked. So you say I want to major in English. But Caltech, and English, is like trying basketball, and an orange. They just don’t belong together. So now your stuck transferring, granted you want to still attend the top the major you choose.</p>

<p>*Guessing that Caltech’s English program isn’t good. Correct me if I’m wrong.</p>

<p>MIT and Harvard were plannning to mmmmmergee…? <em>squeals</em></p>

<p>it’s a nice ranking to see which colleges are well-rounded, but in the end, you can only pick 1 or 2 majors.</p>

<p>Kinglin, I totally agree with the concept, but yeah, there are some obvious flaws in that ranking. The thing is that most of the elite schools out there are going to be fairly well rounded, with the exceptions of MIT, Caltech, and many LACs. Even CMU, which is ranked 51st on your rankings has 15 programs rated highly. That might not sound like alot compared to 40 ranked programs, but of the 15 that CMU has, I’d be willing to bet that they are the very popular programs like history, english, certain maths, engineering, etc. So even if you have a change of heart you’d still be able to switch to another quality program. Maybe they aren’t ranking in the top 40 with their underwater basket weaving program, but I think most people can live without that anyway.</p>

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<p>I’d remove MIT as an exception. It has excellent social sciences and a top-notch business school.</p>

<p>Kinglin were are you going/considering to college?</p>

<p>I’ll hit up the Big 10, along with a few east coast schools. Big 10 offers both good academics, along with a great social life, and you can’t forget about the sports.</p>

<p>Kinglin, this was done by the Philosophical Gourmet. There are two major differences between the Philosophical Gourmet and your ranking:</p>

<p>1) The Philosophical gourmet only looked at 17 major fields. The 17 fields are Law, Medicine, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Geology, Applied and Theoretical Mathematics, Physics, Economics, Engineering, English, History, Philosophy, Political Science, Psychology, Sociology. This takes care of Jab’s complaint, that, as he rightly points out, the 50 fields you were looking at include many sub-fields of Engineering. This really penalizes the Ivy League, which are mostly weak in Engineering. </p>

<p>2) The Philosophical Gourmet assigns more weight to top 5 departments than to 6-15 departments and more weight to 6-10 departments than to 11-15 departments and more weight to top 11-15 departments than to 16-25 departments. </p>

<p>According to the Philosophical Gourmet, Stanford was the clear #1, Cal-Berkeley was the clear #2, Harvard was the clear #3, Michigan and Princeton were 4 and 5 and MIT was #6. Rounding up the top 10 are #7 Columbia, #8 Yale, #9 Chicago and #10 Cornell. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm[/url]”>http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>However, one must realize that those are purely graduate rankings. They reveal the academic quality of a university, even at the undergraduate level, but it does not tell the entire story. Other very important to undergraduate education (such as student body, resources availlable to undergrads, intellectual atmosphere, the university’s ability to connect all the departments to give its young undergrads the best overall education etc…) are not taken into consideration. Overall, the top 10 universities in the Philosophical Gourmet are legitimate top 10 universities, but other amazing universities (like Brown, CalTech, Dartmouth, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Penn, Rice and several others) who provide equally amazing educations are penalized for not having amazing individual departments. </p>

<p>At the end of the day, if one cares only about the quality of the various academic departments and the impact the university has on the World, looking at the Philosophical Gourmet makes sense. But if one values the intangibles that make an undergraduate education great, the Philosophical Gourmet should only be looked at as one of the many assessment tools. In all, there are too many excellent universities and colleges to limit one’s search to just 10 or 15 universities.</p>

<p>My problem with that rank is that it doesn’t measure business. And some schools such as Penn would be a lot higer, granted they had added business to it. </p>

<p>I would just be curious to see how much that rank would change, if business was added.</p>

<p>Kinglin, I do not think Indiana and Penn would benefit that much from the addition of Business. Penn would probably climb from 16th to 14th and Indiana would probably go from 32nd to 28th. Do not forget Michigan, Cal, NYU, MIT, Virginia, USC, CMU, UNC and several other universities that have top 10 undergraduate Business schools. Actually Kinglin, the addition of Business would barely change the rankings.</p>

<p>Plus a lot of elite schools don’t even offer business for undergraduates. An economics degree from a top school will do just as well. If you really want to talk business school, then you have to look at MBA programs.</p>