Rank the top 20 NON-IVY schools

[classclown]

<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Williams</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>U Chicago</li>
<li>Bowdoin</li>
<li>Tufts</li>
<li>Amherst</li>
<li>Haverford</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>Middlebury</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Texas</li>
<li>Emort</li>
</ol>

[SMCguy]

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Cal Tech/MIT</li>
<li>U Chicago/Duke</li>
<li>Northwestern/Johns Hopkins/Washington/Rice/Notre Dame/Emory/Georgetown</li>
<li>Berkeley/UCLA/Michigan/UNC</li>
<li>USC/ NYU/Boston College/Virginia</li>
</ol>

[goldenboy8784]

<p>SMCguy, does Vandy belong in your #6 spot?</p>

[eagle69]

<p>Would people say BC is in the top 20?</p>

[phantasmagoric]

<p>Old thread, but it rehashes many of the misperceptions that people on CC have re: LACs vs. universities. Their strengths and weaknesses were touched on, but I wanted to to be clear that the following is patently untrue about elite research universities (or in some cases was simply untrue in its comparison to LACs):</p>

<p>

young faculty are mentored to put no more time into their courses than needed to get average evaluations

you are far more likely to be taught by an adjunct or a ESL graduate student TA than by the famous NAS professor

the well known faculty may not teach a course, or may only teach large lectures.

for an undergraduate, the amazing research opportunities at large universities may involve being an assistant to a graduate student in a professors lab

The huge choice of classes at large research universities doesn’t do much for the individual student.

that top professors do teach in small classes at universities. However, the competition for getting into that class is going to be significantly more than at LACs

</p>

<p>Many of these statements used to be true, but the elite universities have entered into an arena never charted before - that of simulating a LAC for the average student experience and of offering the broad opportunities and resources of a university. These schools have successfully duplicated the advantages of a LAC in the context of a university. Statements like the above are more or less what some LAC grads tell themselves about their (generally unknown) degree - you know, stickin’ it to the universities. And they’re mostly right - just not about the elite private research universities. (No, I’m not devaluing degrees from LACs. I’m just commenting on the reality that research, not some “intellectual” liberal arts curriculum, begets prestige.)</p>

[JamieBrown]

<p>^^^^well said</p>

[blbk]

<ol>
<li>Stanford/Cal Tech/MIT</li>
<li>U Chicago</li>
<li>Duke/Northwestern/Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Berkeley/Michigan/Virginia/Georgetown</li>
<li>UCLA/USC/NYU/Washington St Louis</li>
<li>UNC/Boston College/Emory/Rice/Notre Dame</li>
</ol>

[k_amp_s]

<p>

In Atlanta, Georgetown is WAY more highly regarded than Notre Dame.

</p>

<p>That’s a regional bias, esp. towards schools located in the NE.</p>

<p>ND’s student body is a good bit stronger than GU’s.</p>

[goldenboy8784]

<p>For undergraduate:</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford/MIT</li>
<li>Duke/Chicago</li>
<li>Northwestern/JHU</li>
<li>Wash U/Rice/Vanderbilt/Georgetown/Notre dame</li>
<li>Emory/Berkeley/UVA</li>
<li>UCLA/Michigan/UNC/NYU/USC/Tufts/Boston College/W&M</li>
</ol>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Not exactly if you’re an undergrad engineering major…</p>