<p>Georgetown has a signature academic program in the Edmund Walsh School of Foreign Service. Notre Dame’s signature academic program is __________? Touchdown Jesus? :)</p>
<p>alex,
In what regard are you referring? </p>
<p>ucb,
You may not be aware, but according to Business Week, ND presently has the nation’s top ranked undergraduate business program.</p>
<p>Hawkette, BW ranking of BBA programs is similar to the WSJ ranking of MBA programs. It is volatile, shifty and not considered reliable. There aren’t many people in corporate America that would rank Notre Dame among the top 10 Business schools. </p>
<p>Let me put it this way, ask anybody seriously interested in International Relations to list the top programs and Georgetown will almost always be mentioned. The same goes for schools like MIT and for Engineering, Wharton for Business etc… That is not the case with Notre Dame/Mendoza when it comes to business.</p>
<p>And I was referring to the name in general. Georgetown is a well known university in Michigan.</p>
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This is one reason why these discussions are so difficult. I, for one, think that quality of student body is, by far, the most important element in how “good” a school is. So, I would include more LACs higher on the list, for example.
I would also note that we can’t really measure quality of undergraduate education–the outcome measurements I’ve seen are all pretty flawed. And even my own criterion, “quality” of student body is hard to measure, unless you only look at SAT scores.</p>
<p>Alex,
In the realm of undergrad business schools, Notre Dame has ranked highly for many years on Business Week’s survey (# 1 now, # 2 in '09, # 3 in '08). Thankfully there are publications like Business Week that have a broader mindset than just which firms are king on Wall Street. BW considers a lot of useful factors from size to student quality to faculty teaching to facilities to job placement to salaries to student satisfaction to…I recognize that most of these things don’t win brownie points within the ranks of elite academia, but for those of us in the American working world, it’s pretty relevant stuff. </p>
<p>People with a broad knowledge of American business (ie, not just a heavy focus on Wall Street and/or management consulting) and who are exposed to students throughout the USA know that Notre Dame is a peer to any place that you care to mention (Wharton, McIntire, Sloan, Haas, McCombs, BYU, etc). All are fine places and some can dominate certain market segments, eg, Wharton on Wall Street, but all are essentially indistinguishable in the product that they graduate. Lots of smart kids out there and lots of very fine schools.</p>
<p>Alex,
Re your thought that, in the state of Michigan, Georgetown’s name is as well-known as Notre Dame, I doubt it. Something tells me that your alma mater’s rivalry with Notre Dame prevents you from seeing the school thru anything but maize colored glasses. :rolleyes: </p>
<p>Btw, Georgetown only gets 11% of its student body from the Midwest and I doubt that many of those are from Michigan.</p>
<p>“… all are essentially indistinguishable in the product that they graduate.”</p>
<p>good, well we can put that sorry “#1” claim away for good then. Which brings us back to #81 above, with no answer.</p>
<p>Re#86, I’ve looked at geographic representation for a few schools, they suggest that people in the Midwest, (or the south), do not head out of region anywhere near the amount that Northeast people do. I saw a number of schools in the midwest or the south with over 20% representation from the Northeast, but did not see northeast schools with anywhere near that same proportion of students from the Midwest.
The northeast’s high population density, relative wealth, and perhaps lower regard for their local public colleges all may play a role in this disproportionate migration pattern. But it certainly isn’t confined to Georgetown. The several other Northeastern colleges I looked at also did not have a particularly high proportion of students from the midwest.</p>
<p>That does not necessarily mean that the people in Michigan do not think well of the reputation of particular Northeast colleges. Just not so much well as to pass up a short drive and/or cheap tuition at U MIchigan, etc.</p>
<p>^ I thought it was interesting to share that most Americans live in the Southern states.
The Northeast has the smallest population, but highest concentration of wealth.</p>
<p>United States Population by Region (U.S. Census, 2006)</p>
<p>Northeast – 55 million
Midwest – 66 million
South – 109 million
West – 69 million</p>
<p>The Midwest has a strong public university system (CIC/Big Ten is arguably second to the Ivy League in academics).</p>
<p>Wait a minute</p>
<p>hold on folks</p>
<p>are you all forgetting how well Georgetown has been known around the country for its basketball program?</p>
<p>in fact, the average Joe around the country has heard of Georgetown, and not for its academics, but for its success on the basketball court, year in year out. This is the same average Joe that knows that ND has a great football team, but knows very little about how good ND is in academics.</p>
<p>In Atlanta, Georgetown is WAY more highly regarded than Notre Dame.</p>
<p>I think “The Gipper” preceded Patrick Ewing by a good bit. And during that entire preceding period probably Georgetown was sailing far above Notre Dame in academic circles.</p>
<p>are we losing posts all of a sudden?</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT, Duke = Chicago</li>
</ol>
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<p>I would disagree. Most people here see them as about even…</p>
<p>I agree that Georgetown is more known for its academics (political science, etc.), and Notre Dame is more known for its football.</p>
<p>Isn’t Georgetown also known for basketball? </p>
<p>Notre Dame is considered more prestigious than Georgetown in my opinion. But Notre Dame has this like concealed, parochial stigma to it for some reason, compared to Georgetown, even though Georgetown is religious too.</p>
<p>Because Georgetown is the best school in the Washington, D.C., area, a lot of professional people who aren’t Catholic will go there for an advanced degree. But for the most part, non-Catholics probably wouldn’t find it particularly advantageous to go to Indiana.</p>
<p>That’s a good point. For one of the nation’s largest metropolitan areas, Washington is sorely lacking in good colleges. Georgetown wins by default really. And a lot of people want to be in Washington for various reasons, so their choices are limited. In nearby Maryland we have Hopkins, Navy and St. John’s College and further afield there is the University of Virginia, but that’s not really local. If you want to go to a good school in or near Washington DC, there’s only one choice. </p>
<p>[Table</a> of United States Combined Statistical Areas](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Combined_Statistical_Areas]Table”>Combined statistical area - Wikipedia)</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford, MIT, CalTech</li>
<li>Duke, Chicago</li>
<li>JHU, Northwestern</li>
<li>Rice, Vanderbilt</li>
<li>WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame, CMU</li>
</ol>