If they are found not guilty, even if they come out and say we believe but can’t prove it, she will likely face ridicule.
But while she did not deserve this, i go back to what @Thorsmom66 stated above. She is not without culpability - not in the assault but the other items mentioned in that post.
And if like an article said, people were talking about her before the assault, I imagine she doesn’t have that anonymity anyway - although I still have not seen or heard her name - which is as it should be.
Unfortunately being Yale-educated does not guarantee anything. Many people I know distrust Naomi Wolf. Anyway, an opinion is worth what you paid for it
Someone actually polled what people think about fraternities and sororities, and whether they trust various entities to respond to sexual assault claims.
They are not being called out for simply being on the chat. But I would call them out for ignoring and not acting on the stuff that was posted on the chat.
Of course not everyone, but it seems a number of people did see it, and after all it just needed one guy with a conscience to see it and do the right thing.
If not that night, they all got the messages the next day, and it would have been clear from the context what had happened. How many of the 50+ recipients did anything about it? How many just figured it was business as usual at their fraternity house?
That seems to be very much part of the abominable culture of such places, and those who received the message and did nothing (during or after) are part of it.
According to the statements, following the group chat, there was one guy who went in the room and said that they were ending it, which may have been the reason why they left the room listed in group chat soon after.
It’s unclear exactly what specific people did the next day, but it is clear that by the next day there were rumors/claims about what happened all over campus, beyond just frat members, which often portrayed both Doe and the frat members poorly. It’s not clear if anyone went to the campus police, even though there were claims as explicit as a forum post saying, "Chi Phi brothers do drugs and gang raped a sophomore."
But everyone on the chat was named, not just the ones who were awake. Since we can’t know who was awake or not, the correct thing is to not name anyone.
Well, at least one person realized it was very wrong and contacted her. That’s why you are hearing about this today. As for the rest, we don’t know what they did.
No disagreement on this part. But that doesn’t make it right to name everyone.
I don’t think some frat boys being identified is really what is at issue here.
Why shouldn’t they and their fraternity face some public flak over failing to stand up for what’s right.
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Do we know this? I think all we know is that someone who saw the chat took a picture of it and it eventually got out. Do we know if they thought it was wrong or thought t was great and wanted to show it off? If there is evidence for what else you say, can you link it? Because my understanding is we know about it because she contacted one of them and recorded the conversation.
Why shouldn’t they and their fraternity face some public flak over failing to stand up for what’s right.
Because all the facts are not known to the public, and an innocent person or persons could have their lives destroyed. We do not, or at least should not, operate via mob rule. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Anyone found guilty should absolutely face consequences for their actions.
We do know this - the guy was a friend of Jane Doe and sent it to her the next morning when he woke up and saw it. At least, that’s how I remember it being reported.
