Actually what I was saying is that Fox asked that question, in that way, for a very specific reason. And knew what they were doing. And that there is a reason other journalists didn’t. And to caution those that viewed it as ground breaking journalism might want to re-evaluate their media consumption.
He did not pass a “toxicology report”. He was administered a VERY specific test which measures a VERY specific type of drug, which pharmacologists note frequently when interviewed “is not the same thing as a full panel tox screen”.
I’ve worked for companies which administer drug tests to prospective employees- no ifs, ands or buts. You would be shocked by the number of candidates who want to assure us that their own “toxicology report” shows that they are clean. They send in a one pager which looked for heroin in their system, and voila, they don’t have heroin in their system (or did not on the day the test was administered). There are lots of other substances which can make a person so disoriented or high that you do NOT want them driving a forklift, behind the wheel of a front-end loader, or operating a crane. Dangerous for them, dangerous for their co-workers, exceptionally dangerous for innocent bystanders.
But you can purchase a “test” which narrowly defines that you are “clean”. Nope. You take OUR test, administered in an approved lab, on a random day that we specify, or you don’t get the job.
Someone who was “clean” for ketamine- but drunk? Clean for ketamine but high on E, crystal meth, cocaine?
You seem very invested in showing that the “system” works. Which under the specific circumstances of this case, seems like an odd stance to take. Physically assaulting someone weaker, smaller, incapacitated (whether voluntarily or not) etc. doesn’t seem like behavior a university wants to “let slide”.
But at least what @Data10 wrote is [quote=“Data10, post:843, topic:3707881”]
- Scott K / Scott N – Accused of entering bedroom after seeing group chat messages and snorting ketamine off Doe’s body.
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And btw - Ketamine means nothing to me. I heard about it with Matthew Perry but I’m way out of it in regards to having any clue. But if that’s the accusation and the accused says it’s not true and he tested negatively, it seems like he should have no punishment - although I’m sure it’s not all cut and dry like this.
And I don’t know how long it stays in the system and when the test was run.
A hair test taken weeks after the event is far from infallible, but ignoring the drugs, Cornell doesn’t think it is appropriate behavior for a student to participate in a group chat encouraging other frat members to go in to a room with “free pus**” and go themselves, without taking any action to stop events. This relates to the punishment he received. The purpose of the required SA education and writing a reflection paper is to change this behavior in the future.
As stated Sarabia isn’t an active student, so couldn’t be suspended or expelled. Instead he was banned from campus. Based on the punishments other students received, I suspect Cornell also thought forced kissing was not severe enough to be expelled. This is also consistent with banning from campus for 3 years, rather than permanent ban.
3 separate threesomes
That’s fair - if his punishment wasn’t related to assaulting her himself. That won’t fly against him criminally or I don’t believe civilly though.
Ahh - Sarabia wasn’t enrolled - gotcha. They could have banned him forever.
ugh - ok - i’m going to wait - it’s crazier and crazier. I thought only two had intercourse with her.
It’s just gross - the entire thing.
You’ve touched on an important concept. Is there any level of perversion that is beyond the pale? Should threesomes, hookups, friends with benefits, etc, be normalized? Why not establish an expectation that only two people in a committed relationship for an extended period of time should be having relations? Then, this perpetual consent / intoxication dynamic plays much less of a role.
Part of the way women have designed society is that many of them incentivize male hyper sexuality. I was never virgin-shamed by any guy, through all of the locker rooms and male groups (albeit, no college fraternities), but shamed by several women. Studies show that half of women won’t date virgins. Why are so many not interested in men that respect them? Why the continued interest in “bad boys”?
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I’m sorry, but you just can’t get any more red pill than that.
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So this is not a reasonable response to Ohibro’s observation . Your response doesn’t address the facts he presented.
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Because when fringe studies pulled from the internet and personal rejection by women are used to come to the conclusion the “women designed society to incentivize male hyper sexuality”, and thus, it’s no wonder rapes happen ( last part is the assumption one draws from that conclusion) you really have to point out where one is getting that information. It’s the same as pointing out information deseminated by flat earthers or Q You’re not going to convince them it isn’t real, but you can clue others into where it comes from
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That part is judgment but if he thought women wouldn’t date him because he was a virgin - that is likely a fact in his observation. Unless you are disputing that particular observation.
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I assume there could be many reasons beyond being a virgin that people would not date ( the poster). We can’t be sure that interpretation is even accurate. However, we do know where the leap from “women said they wouldn’t date me (because I’m a virgin)” and “ women created a hypersexualozed society” comes from.
The argument that women are responsible for creating a hypersexualized society is a prominent talking point within the “manosphere” and “red pill” podcasting communities. [1, 2]
The primary podcast hosts who frequently articulate this viewpoint include:
- Brian Atlas (Whatever Podcast): On his highly-viewed dating debate podcast, Atlas frequently argues that modern women dictate cultural norms because they dominate social media and cultural influence. Guests and commentary on the Whatever Podcast often assert that women use platforms like OnlyFans and hypersexualized social media content for personal profit and attention, thereby shifting societal standards away from traditional morality. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
- Hannah Pearl Davis (JustPearlyThings): Commonly referred to as an “anti-feminist” commentator, Davis routinely blames feminism and modern women for the breakdown of traditional relationship structures. On the JustPearlyThings platform, she has explicitly criticized the normalization of sex work among young women, claiming that women utilize sexualized behavior and social media pipelines for validation and financial gain while avoiding the responsibilities of traditional marriages. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
- Myron Gaines and Walter Weekes (Fresh & Fit): As pioneering figures in the red-pill space, the hosts of Fresh & Fit argue that the sexual liberation movement has allowed women to hypersexualize themselves collectively through dating apps and creator platforms. They frequently frame women’s modern dating choices and sexual autonomy as detrimental to long-term family stability and the social fabric. [1, 2, 3]
The Core Argument & Counter-Perspectives
Within these podcasts, the general thesis is that because women wield immense power as the gatekeepers of sex and high-level social media influence, their collective choice to embrace revealing or explicit content sets the tone for an over-sexualized culture. [1, 2]
Conversely, sociological experts, feminist scholars, and media critics point out that society has historically objectified and hypersexualized women long before the internet. They argue that blaming women ignores the massive male consumption and market demand driving these industries, as well as the broader corporate, advertising, and algorithmic systems that reward hypersexual content. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
Those two are very adjacent issues/ ideas. And just because some red pill podcasting communities make that argument , It doesn’t mean OhiBro’s point is invalid. Calling something a red pill is just a convenient way to dismiss the idea without responding to the actual idea.
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So, are you arguing that it is a valid theory of rape culture?
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No. Please don’t try and deflect the question. I am asking that if someone says women don’t date men who don’t have “experience”, and this sets up a perverse culture – you dismissed the premise of the observation by alluding some other person’s podcast, and don’t address the actual question being posed – whether this is indeed true, and whether it sets up a perverse culture.
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Interested in how many women ask men if they are virgins before deciding to go out on a date with them.
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I am actually curious about this myself – not whether they actually ask, but whether they infer and take actions based on that inference.
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Yeah I’m betting it’s the small percentage that mainly exist in some mens’ minds.
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Fascinating all the different layers of blaming women for rape. And so little actual discussion of these scumbag men and these fraternities.
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