Razzleberries

<p>Among the few talents I possess, gardening is not one of them. I have no affinity for working with the soil, get no pleasure from it. Distinguishing between a weed and a sprout worth nurturing is a concept I’ve yet to grasp. My goal is to to keep the lawn mowed, the bushes trimmed, and hope the azaleas that were here when we bought the property don’t die from me just walking by.</p>

<p>We’ve had a small garden plot, 10’x14’, in a fairly sunny prominent spot. While in prior years I’ve had varying success with eggplant, lettuce, cukes, pole beans, bell peppers and tomatoes, it’s lain dormant for the past 5-6 years. I have planted a few things during that period, under the pleadings of the wife/d combo who promised to “take care of it”. There is a vast chasm in the definition of “care” between theirs and my own; their standard tops out at only needing a small machete to hack through the weeds to access any fruit bearing plant.</p>

<p>This year, given the economic clime, and a yen for the taste of a garden grown 'mater, I figured I’d give another shot. Pulled all the weeds, roto-tilled in some 10 year old compost from my leaf pile, and as before came up with a nice, soft black loam that allows you to sink to your ankles. Planted 3 varieties of tomatoes (about 8-9 plants), and roughly equivalent quantities of cukes, red and green leaf lettuce, and a package of pole beans from seed.</p>

<p>D had planted a scrawny raspberry seedling a few years back in one corner, and as it yielded a small amount of fruit I let it be. It has now grown to the point where it encompasses about a quarter of the garden, yields enough fruit to pique d’s berry loving interest so that she ‘ll pick the berries before the birds get them, as opposed to years past. What is a typical yield? It now has a 3’ x 4’ root footprint. It does however block some sun and is encroaching into the 'maters.</p>

<p>If you’ve gotten this far, I should probably commend you. My basic questions are:</p>

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<li>how does one maintain raspberries so that they provide sufficient yield without becoming a detriment to other equally tasty yet equally important salad and sandwich fixings? I’ve tried tying them back, trimming, but there seems far too much “plant” for the amount of berry yield. I have no suitable spot to replant them, as sun and soil conditions prohibit it.</li>
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<p>-the New England weather this year prohibited an early planting, so the “stuff” is probably a few weeks behind the typical growing season. Lots of cloudy days and rain haven’t helped. The cukes have grown like crazy, lots of flowers, but only about 6-8 in various stages of formation. The lettuce did ok, but is now spent. The beans seem to have suffered from lack of sun due to the raspberry growth, and I lost a few plants from either the birds or varmints getting to the seeds, or an overzealous weeding in the early stages of growth. The 'maters (beefsteak, early girls and big boys) have about 10 green small fruits of various sizes. I did get one red 2" diameter one last week; given the stages of development, I might see another by September. </p>

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<li><p>I water and weed religiously, but haven’t fertilized as I did in the past. I’m not interested in soil tests, or spending large sums. I can easily grass seed it over and spend the money on fertilizers, nutrients and soil tests by running up the road to the farm stand or at the local farmer’s market. </p></li>
<li><p>Is the raspberry a hindrance or at cross purposes in planting with the 'maters and other veggies?</p></li>
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<p>Given we cover everything from auto sales to grout removal, I’d figure I’d pick the collective brain before venturing into the depths of another forum.</p>

<p>Your public library should have several gardening books you can glean info from in addition to posters’ help.</p>

<p>I have a serious brown thumb and have no clue,but here are a few places to start. Enjoy those raspberries, and give a few to select posters here :wink:
[Growing</a> Raspberries and Blackberries](<a href=“University of Maine Cooperative Extension - Community Programs for the people of Maine”>University of Maine Cooperative Extension - Community Programs for the people of Maine)
[Growing</a> Raspberries for the home grounds](<a href=“http://www.backyardgardener.com/plants/graspberry.html]Growing”>How to Grow Raspberries - Backyard Gardener)
[Growing</a> Raspberries](<a href=“http://www.farminfo.org/orchard/raspberry.htm]Growing”>http://www.farminfo.org/orchard/raspberry.htm)
[Growing</a> Raspberries](<a href=“http://www.beginner-gardening.com/growing-raspberries.html]Growing”>http://www.beginner-gardening.com/growing-raspberries.html)</p>

<p>Send some raspberries to me as well - my favorites…</p>

<p>To greatly simplify, there are two types of raspberries - everbearing and one shot deals (I can’t remember the proper name but OSD will do for now). </p>

<p>Everbearing produce two crops per year - typically one in June/July and the other in September/October.
OSD produce one crop a year, typically in July August.</p>

<p>The good news is that once you figure out which you have, care is dead easy. </p>

<p>OSD produces fruit only on two year old canes. So what you do is once the fruit has finished for the season, chop all of the canes that had fruit on them back to the ground. The ones that look younger and didn’t bear fruit, leave them alone for the following year.</p>

<p>With the everbearing, simply wait until after the first fruiting and cut those ones back to the ground. The new shoots will produce a small crop in the fall and a much larger one the following spring.</p>

<p>3 x 4 is a nice sized patch - although I would prefer 12 x 1 long skinny rows produce better and are easier to harvest.</p>

<p>scualum-
Are you meaning annuals and perennials??
Also, I was making a joke about “giving someone the raspberry” (as in making that “pffffft” sound when sticking out one’s tongue) but (a) I guess it was too obtuse and (b) I love raspberries too – how doe one ask foa a handout without it sounding like we want them to “pppfffft” us??</p>

<p>wis75, I’ve borrowed back a number of gardening books I’ve given my dad over the years, but they haven’t been much help. He is a firm proponent of extensive use of Miracle Grow, and my wife with her nutritionist’s background deems his crops chemical wonders and glow in the dark veggies. Not worth the marital discord to dissuade her. The kids and I have no issues with scorfing dad’s excess produce. The growth of an additional appendage might make it easier.</p>

<p>In looking through the links jym provided the first one has a diagram of a trellis system that would probably work best in my current garden configuration.</p>

<p>The plot is actually fenced, with a gate, to keep critters and the kids and their balls out when they were younger. By setting up a trellis system across the narrower width at one end, I could establish one 10’ long row, potentially two, increasing both the management and yield. </p>

<p>Given the sun’s track across the plot, it would also keep most of the rest of the garden in full sun as long as possible, helping the rest of the crops. In reading some of the info, I probably made a mistake by planting the 'maters close to the raspberries. Live and learn.</p>

<p>scualum, I think the type is a one shot deal, the description of the canes seems to fit the green new/brown bark year old variety mine display, but I’ll wait to the fall and see if I get a second crop. I can rearrange and re-establish them within a trellis system come next year.</p>

<p>Would love to share, but the yield seems small. Been gleaning about a dozen a day, which d quickly gobbles. I’ve managed to scrounge a few to garnish a bowl of vanilla ice cream, and had dreams of raspberry pancakes or muffins, but looks like we won’t see this year. </p>

<p>As a kid, I can remember my uncle’s property where he had a meadow full of wild growth raspberries, blueberries and blackberries. I remember taking them out in pail loads; when I recount the tale to d, her eyes glaze over and she drools copiously.</p>

<p>Thanks for the help. Keep it coming.</p>

<p>jym, I thought you were looking for handouts. I should have recognized your tongue in cheek approach.</p>

<p>Rats. I thought this was going to be a thread about Mr. Magoo’s Christmas Carol.</p>

<p>If you are going to trellis them, then what you want to have is actually two sets of wires about a foot to 18 inches apart. For mine, I built something that looks like a ladder out of a few scrap 2x4s and stuck that in the ground at each end of the rows. I then stapled wire into the ends of the rungs of the ladder. Three wires high, starting a foot off the ground and going up every 12- 18 inches until it is about chest high. The bushes stay between the two sets of wires. </p>

<p>Jym - both kinds of raspberries are perennials just different in how they bear fruit. </p>

<p>What I do for fertilizer is a bag of chicken manure after I prune them for the year - in the case of the one timers that would be in the next few weeks. I pour it along the row, till it in by hand and water the heck out of it. It encourages the new growth in the fall. </p>

<p>They really are easy - and probably the most cost effective thing I grow given the price of raspberries in the store and how little I spend on them both in time and money.</p>

<p>I can’t remember if cane berries have fruit on 1st (new) or 2nd (last years growth) year canes. You need to be mindful of this when you prune and to control growth. </p>

<p>Weather has a lot to do on the number of flowers and if the bees are getting out to do their job. </p>

<p>Vegetable plants generally need lime to neutralize the acidity. No such thing as too much lime. Too rich of soil will encourage vegetative growth rather than fruit sets.</p>

<p>to get more fruit, keep picking!</p>

<p>^^ re: post #7 -
I was being tongue-in-cheek and looking for handouts!</p>

<p>Hope the trellis designs help. There are clearly many posters here skilled in gardening who have useful suggestions.</p>

<p>I too recall picking wild reaspberries and blackberries in a field when I was young. Then they went and built a High School on that land :(</p>

<p>Just picked the first blackberries of the season yesterday, yummie! Warm from the sun.</p>

<p>Hate Blackberries-
( I have been spending months digging up himalayan blackberry in an effort to reclaim land for the native plants)</p>

<p>However- my strawberries are going nuts, as are the blueberries ( but they need water)
Our raspberries are taken from my grandparents plants that they brought from MO, years ago, and are very hardy.
They bear on last years growth.
[Raspberries</a> & More - Pruning & Training Raspberries](<a href=“http://urbanext.illinois.edu/raspberries/pruning.html]Raspberries”>http://urbanext.illinois.edu/raspberries/pruning.html)</p>