<p>I think when you guys say the formula is “unknown” that you might be looking in the wrong places. Yes, there is some sort of pattern of slightly lower scores (low by NYU’s standards; they are still really good), but there are many exceptions of people with very high scores. What is never discussed is what is written on the personal statements and essay. Perhaps NYU refers people to LSP who have a certain character or persona??? I’m not sure, its just a shot in the dark.</p>
<p>Mary, I think that could be so. A lot of LSP kids I find are more off the beaten track. But at the same time, some Gallatin kids are too. It is a shot in the dark. NYU is filled with so many creative and interesting people. I’m just sick of hearing that LSP kids are less intelligent than everyone else. It’s not true.
If I remember correctly, the last or current NYU student pres. was a former LSP kid. </p>
<p>(Sorry for grammar issues. I’m typing fast… )</p>
<p>So if you go to GSP and get your associates degree, do you basically start over as a freshman in your school of choice or do you get your degree in two years? I don’t want to be paying for 6 years of NYU and grad school, it’s just so expensive.</p>
<p>Absolutely not. My daughter (former LSP’er) may graduate in 3 and a half years due to a semester of AP credit. </p>
<p>Not sure why you’re even worried about this. I don’t think SCPS even refers to LSP.</p>
<p>It seems that GSP r for the ppl who just missed the cutoff line.</p>
<p>you’ll still graduate in 4 years if you’re in LSP, or as londonb said it’s possible to graduate early if you have extra credits.</p>
<p>Hi I got my acceptance email to the Liberal Studies Program today, I don’t totally understand the program and the college website is obnoxiously vague when it comes to supplying information about LSP. My family funds are relatively tight and I’m not excited about paying for the required classical studies classes in LSP, though the small class sizes are nice. I do have a question regarding Ap credits and merit scholarships for current or former LSP people. Can you still get credit for Ap classes while in LSP and will I leave the program sooner if I do get credit? Does being in LSP hurt my chance for merit aid? What are my chances for merit aid?</p>
<p>GPA- 3.9
My SAT score is 2020 (high for LSP from what I understand)
Reading- 740
Writing- 690
Math- 590</p>
<p>Ap classes
AP Euro- 3
AP Language- 4
AP US History- 5
AP Literature- not yet taken
AP US Gov- not yet taken
AP Biology- not yet taken
Thanks so much to anyone that can help me out, maybe I will see some of you at NYU next year!</p>
<p>^ Congratulations on your acceptance! Please keep in mind that the program has changed from year to year - its name, structure, required classes. The older posts in the NYU forum contain a lot of misinformation because of these changes.</p>
<p>Best advice is to contact LSP Advising re: the AP credit. You will definitely get credit for 4s and 5s on your tests but you probably won’t be able to leave the program early. </p>
<p>The LSP required courses take the place of most of the Morse Academic Plan core in CAS - you can compare these on the CAS and LSP websites. </p>
<p>Best of luck to you with your decision.</p>
<p>If we didn’t receive an email, does that mean we have no chance of being LSPed? I feel like that is the only way I would get into NYU…</p>
<p>^ In the past, LSP letters have been received through the end of March. Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>Hi, like I said earlier I applied to NYU and got put into their LSP program. I have one other concern which I hope can be answered by someone currently attending NYU. My original plan was to go to college, take all of the classes I needed for Medical School, but major in one of the social science or liberal arts (probably anthropology). Would this be very difficult or even impossible to do with the curriculum set by the LSP? I’m taking AP Bio this year and if I do well on the test I can use it as a science credit for college but I’m guessing most medical schools wouldn’t like this. Are there any current or former NYU pre- med stuedents who can give me any info on this? Any information any one can give me would be welcome.Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>Hey, I’m currently a sophomore CAS pre-med student and biology major. To answer your question mmockingbird, I strongly advise against going into NYU pre-med if you’re LSP. That’s not to say it isn’t doable, because it is and there are a lot of people who have done it I’m sure. Still, I honestly don’t think it’s worth the ways in which you’re going to have to contort your schedule to fit everything in there in four years. I say this as someone who was originally going into LSP, and who did a lot of research beforehand. Everyone kept warning me that it would be hard but I thought I could handle it. For some reason I lucked out and before I even got to NYU they switched me from LSP to CAS. After having been here and taken two years of courses, I honestly believe that had I not been switched I would have had a miserable experience.</p>
<p>The thing about LSP is that you have to take all of your liberal arts class in your first two years and you only get one elective each semester for the first year (and I believe two electives for the second but I’m not positive). The way you would usually do pre-med as an Anthropology major in CAS is Chem I and II and Calculus I freshman year, Bio I and II (you’re correct in saying that AP credit won’t get you out of Bio I and II. I got a 5 on the AP test and still had to take it) and Orgo I and II sophomore year, Physics I and II junior year. This would be in addition to your Prerequisite Intro to Anthropology, which you’d probably take freshman or at least sophomore year, and all of your other anthro courses spread across your remaining semesters.</p>
<p>People will tell you that LSP is fine because you can get all of your MAP out of the way early. And that is true for most majors, but it doesn’t work with the hard sciences (Bio, Chem, Physics, Biochem, Neuro) or with pre-med. The way I took my MAPs was to take one a semester to bolster my GPA while I was taking two difficult science courses a semester. By taking them all at once, you will most likely be forcing yourself to take on an extremely heavy and difficult schedule junior and senior year, the years when most people’s work loads are finally getting a bit more managable with their upper level electives. You’d be condemning yourself to a packed schedule junior year on. Your fall would probably involve Physics I, Calc I and two anthro courses, not to mention that in addition to all of your LSP courses, you still need to make room for four semesters of language requirement (unless you place out, but even if you do I still don’t advise doing LSP pre-med). In addition, you will have taken easy classes for your first two years, and may not be ready to get slammed with a huge workload full of difficult classes later on. </p>
<p>Sorry I’ve written a book, I really want to convince you not to do this. Like I said, there are people who accomplish it with good grades and that’s great, but I honestly don’t think it’s worth it when you have other options at good schools. Even if you do manage to fit everything in, you will most likely not get to take any extra classes or minors that simply interest you. For example, I have a dramatic lit minor that I really enjoy but never could have had with LSP. LSP requires about 10 semesters of required classes and 4 of language. The regular map program is only 5 semesters of required classes for a premed student (since you don’t have to do nat sci or quantitative reasoning) and 4 of language. In conclusion, if you go in just as an anthro major without pre-med you’ll be fine, but for pre-med look elsewhere.</p>
<p>Excellent post Lauren. I did just want to point out one thing that might be misunderstood.</p>
<p>LSP does not require 4 semesters of language, CAS (MAP)does and there are a number of ways of exempting out partially or fully. Not sure what the other schools require in terms of language. </p>
<p>“Exemptions: Students may fulfill the foreign language component of the MAP by presenting outstanding scores on the SAT Subject Test or Advanced Placement Test in a foreign language, or by passing a departmental proficiency examination. For further information on language placement and exemption, see Placement Examinations in the Academic Policies section of this bulletin. For Advanced Placement Test equivalencies, consult the chart in the Admission section, also in this bulletin.” </p>
<p>I strongly advise all of you considering the LSP program to look carefully at the following webpages:</p>
<p>[NYU</a> > A & S > Frequently Asked Questions](<a href=“http://ls.nyu.edu/page/faq]NYU”>http://ls.nyu.edu/page/faq) Important FAQs for LSP
[NYU</a> > A & S > Program Requirements](<a href=“http://ls.nyu.edu/object/totalrequirements09]NYU”>http://ls.nyu.edu/object/totalrequirements09) Actual course requirements for LSP</p>
<p>Some more information about LSP for those still interested in pre-health
"Liberal Studies Curriculum Guidelines for Students Interested in Pre-Health
Students interested in pursuing a pre-health course of study at NYU will use their elective space in Liberal Studies to begin a pre-health curriculum. During the freshman year in Liberal Studies, students will take three required Liberal Studies courses and one elective each semester. During the sophomore year, students take three required Liberal Studies courses and several electives. "
[NYU</a> > A & S > Liberal Studies Curriculum Guidelines for Pre-Health Students](<a href=“http://ls.nyu.edu/object/guidelinesprehealth]NYU”>http://ls.nyu.edu/object/guidelinesprehealth) LSP Pre-health info</p>
<p>Thank you all for the information and advice. My problem is I really love NYU and I would hate to rule it out just because of scheduling conflicts. How hard is it to go through LSP while fulfilling pre-med requirements? From what I understand you have to spend every elective class on your required science and math courses. What do pre- med majors in NYU usually major in once they leave the program? How different is LSP courses different from the required Core courses everyone has to take? Do people in LSP really not have to take language classes? Because that would be a HUGE plus.</p>
<p>Oh and also, Lauren8822, how did you get switched out of LSP? I didn’t think they did that because of limits on space for both programs? Not that I expect to be switched over, I’m just rather curious.</p>
<p>mmockingbird,</p>
<p>1) NYU does not have an official waiting list. Generally, people are accepted/ rejected outright to CAS or referred to the LSP. No one gets a letter informing them they are wait-listed.</p>
<p>I imagine if there are spots not taken for what they hope to yield for CAS, then students considered the strongest candidates from LSP get moved up to CAS. That is why that is not guaranteed or mentioned. They do not know how many will end up accepting or rejecting the offer to go into CAS for them to determine how many students they can move into CAS from LSP.</p>
<p>2) The one thing I have read (Sorry, I forget the source though I am fairly sure it was a New York Times article) is that there are an increasing number of medical schools which do not mind if pre-meds apply to medical school without a hard science major, but instead apply with majors in humanities, social sciences, and liberal arts. In fact, 2 or 3? of the medical schools named in the article indicate they are actively seeking strong candidates in non-hard science majors. They are trying to find more people-related candidates to fight the trend in place of producing doctors who do not have the best “bedside manner.” That is, they are seeking to “humanize” the field. Of course, you have to meet the basic Biology and Chemistry requirements, etc. that are at the core of a pre-med curriculum. But your major does not have to be in Biology, Chemistry, etc. Maybe you choose Psychology and fulfill the core pre-med requirements, then you can be considered for admission to these medical schools. This was mentioned as only a developing trend, maybe still in the early stages, but worthwhile for you to look into. Then you as a LSP student can more easily meet pre-med requirements without having to take tough science courses clustered together in the last two years at NYU CAS.</p>
<p>In answer to your question mmockingbird, I got an email after I’d already sent my deposit to NYU accepting my spot in LSP. They said they had a few extra spots in CAS and gave me the option to switch, which I accepted. I assume this was because I was hovering right at the line between LSP and CAS. However, this was two years ago and I wouldn’t really bet on it happening again. The number of people who accepted spots at NYU last year was actually higher than expected, and I doubt they switched anyone from LSP at all. </p>
<p>All I can tell you, yet again, is that I highly recommend you go somewhere else for pre-med. Your schedule will be packed in your junior year and it could negatively affect your grades and therefore chances for med school. I understand that you like NYU, but I don’t believe it’s worth hurting your future prospects. It’s also not worth putting yourself through the amount of extra stress you will endure. You don’t want a schedule that leaves you with no time to enjoy the other things your school has to offer, like friends, a social life and extracurriculars. </p>
<p>Also, I’m almost 100% certain that you do need to complete 4 semesters of language barring a fantastic score on the placement test, as it is a requirement to graduate from CAS, the school you will eventually be switching to.</p>
<p>With somewhere in the 600’s on the placement test, my daughter placed out of two semesters of language. This could be very quickly cleared up with a call to CAS Advising if anyone is interested in the cutoffs. </p>
<p>Also, as mentioned you can place out with appropriate scores on the AP exam. [NYU</a> > CAS > Bulletin 2010 - 2012 > Admission](<a href=“http://cas.nyu.edu/object/bulletin1012.ug.admission#APCREDIT]NYU”>http://cas.nyu.edu/object/bulletin1012.ug.admission#APCREDIT)</p>
<p>Oh yeah londonb, I wasn’t disputing that you can place out of language, just saying that it’s a requirement that still has to be fulfilled by people in LSP. If an LSP student goes in with absolutely no language knowledge, they have to take all four semesters.</p>