<p>i’m trying to think of a couple to tell a friend. and i’ve already checked out that site but it’s just about football</p>
<p>Oh give it up. ND is a great school. If you can’t get in, it’s just because of sour grapes.</p>
<p>If you can’t think of any that probably means it’s a pretty good school. Otherwise it would be easy to think of reasons why its sucks.</p>
<p>ND does not suck. It’s an awesome school with awesome networking and traditions.</p>
<p>It is not just about football…that’s just silly.</p>
<p>Only 49% submit SAT scores is one reason that it sucks.</p>
<p>Wanna know about ND, try these:</p>
<p>[Irish</a> Trumpets - University of Notre Dame - YouTube](<a href=“Irish Trumpets - University of Notre Dame - YouTube”>Irish Trumpets - University of Notre Dame - YouTube)
[ESPN</a> Commercial, Notre Dame: Play Like a Champion - YouTube](<a href=“ESPN Commercial, Notre Dame: Play Like a Champion - YouTube”>ESPN Commercial, Notre Dame: Play Like a Champion - YouTube)
[Play</a> Like A Champion - YouTube](<a href=“Play Like A Champion - University of Notre Dame - YouTube”>Play Like A Champion - University of Notre Dame - YouTube)</p>
<p>A former colleague used to go there. She’s very smart – probably one of the smartest I’ve met in my life. She turned down Yale for it. She was half White (her mother was White) half Chinese (father) but has a black hair, though her skin complexion is white. She transferred in the turn of her Sophomore year to La Salle University where she eventually graduated magna cum laude. According to her, discrimination was rampant at Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Notre Dame is a very good school that attracts very good students, but IMHO there are also some things not to like. It’s not as racially and socioeconomically diverse as many comparable schools–predominantly white, few Asians or African-Americans (though a significant Latino presence), and very few kids on Pell grants. Also very few international students (3%). FWIW, Princeton Review’s survey also rates ND the #6 most LGBT-unfriendly college in the country, perhaps not surprising given the Catholic Church’s stance, but something to keep in mind. For some people that may be a plus but for others–and not just LGBT students–it’s a complete turn-off, which of course influences the kinds of students who end up there. (I don’t usually put too much stock in these highly unscientific Princeton Review surveys, but when a school develops that kind of reputation there’s often something behind it). </p>
<p>Another factor to consider is that, pound, for pound, its faculties are for the most part just not in the same league as those at the other Midwestern academic powerhouses, which would include Chicago, Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, WUSTL, and UIUC. It does offer graduate programs but very few of them crack the top 10 or top 25 in their respective fields. It’s got a good business school (undergrad ranked #14 in US News, same as Ohio state, UIUC, Wisconsin and WUSTL but below #4 Michigan and #10 Indiana), its philosophy department is well respected (ranked #15 by the Philosophical Gourmet survey of philosophers, second in the Midwest after #4 Michigan), and no doubt its theology department is lights-out. But it’s not particularly strong in the sciences (most of its grad programs rank in the #60 to #90 range, with grad program rankings based almost entirely on perceived faculty strength) or engineering (#45 undergrad engineering per US News, which would make it the 11th-best Midwestern engineering school, with UIUC, Michigan, and Purdue at the top of that group). It’s a little better in the social sciences and humanities with a number of programs in the #40-#50 range, but to be honest, pound for pound I’d probably take Indiana U’s faculty or Purdue’s over ND’s, not to mention Chicago’s or Michigan’s. Some people say these rankings reflect a secular bias on the part of the academics who fill them out. That strikes me as a lazy excuse, but even if true, it does suggest that your ND academic credentials may not be held in as high esteem by academics—say those serving on graduate school admissions committees–as they are by lay readers of US News.</p>
<p>The campus is beautiful but South Bend is a pretty dumpy, run-down Rustbelt town with little to recommend it, and there tends to be friction between the hard-partying Domers and the townsfolk. </p>
<p>That said, there are some things to like about the school. It’s got a strong undergraduate orientation and an academically strong student body; in some ways it’s just an overgrown LAC (though that raises the question, why not a real LAC?). People who attend usually develop strong social bonds and on the whole are fiercely loyal to the place. It’s got great traditions, near-universal name recognition, and a strong alumni network, and its graduates tend to be successful in the business world or other pursuits. And you get to sit in the student section at home football games beneath the outstretched arms of Touchdown Jesus and cheer on the Fighting Irish as yet another overhyped season turns to dust; priceless!</p>
<p>Go Blue!</p>
<p>^ ohhhhhhhhhhh hawkette!.. ;)</p>
<p>ND is a fine private university. I just wouldn’t rank it up there with the top publics. </p>
<p>ohhhhhhhhhhh hawkette!..</p>
<p>*Only 49% submit SAT scores is one reason that it sucks. *</p>
<p>What the heck does that mean? Are those who take the ACT somehow inferior??</p>
<p>I’ve heard its very white and preppy, like Nova and BC but on steroids. Not saying being white is a bad thing, I’m saying not being diverse is a bad thing.</p>