Rejected applicant alleges bias against Asians

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<p>ml8185: That’s a little borderline, but it also has a lot of truth to it. I would say the majority of the East Asians I know can speak generally 2 languages fluently, if not more. This is also true of a lot of other Asians (Indians, etc.).</p>

[jlauer95]

<p>So… based on what the perception is… should my half white, half Chinese niece indicate that she is white or Asian on college aps??? Would indicating that she is white help her??? Supposedly, she has the right to indicate as she chooses.</p>

[raffles88]

<p>What about American Asians? I’m sure some speak more than one language and many others do not. Will the ones that speak only English (even if taking foreign language in school) be discriminated against because they only speak English?</p>

[ml8185]

<p>bay, i would not reveal my ethnicity considering the strong competition among asians. the person asked me what 2 languages i could speak, and i told him. what was i supposed to do? hang up?</p>

<p>it’s extremely unfair that asian americans are expected to know 3 languages while others are required to know 2. many of us who are bilinguals still have to attend extra classes outside of school to study the other language while trying hard to improve english. who counts this extra work?
just because we make the extra effort then we have to be punished by that?</p>

[sybbie719]

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it’s extremely unfair that asian americans are expected to know 3 languages while others are required to know 2.

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<p>Since I can only talk about high school graduation requirements as it pertains to graduating in NYC/NYS, I will.</p>

<p>Each student needs at least one year of foreign language in order to graduate from high school. </p>

<p>I am at a high school with a large immigrant population (mainly hispanic and asian students). Many of these students who transfer to NYC high school fulfill the foreign language requirement if they have taken or another language in thier home country. The enligh language gets english credits and along with their native language gives them foreign language credit making them exempt from the foreign language requirement (Many even take the SAT for foreign language in their native language). </p>

<p>NYS also allows students bilingual students to take all of the state exams (with the exception of English for obvious reasons) in their native language in addition to providing extra time to complete the exam and most immigrants do take the state exams in their native language and use the extra time.</p>

<p>Many bilingual students who are born and raised in the U.S. still have to take foreign language in high school regardless of the other languages spoken in their home. So no one is penalizing asian americans because every one is held to the same foreign language requirement. If some one speaks russian, french, german, etc at home they too much take the foreign language offered in their school in order to successfully complete high school.</p>

[jsmith14921999]

<p>TalkToHerTonight said: “That kid got into Yale. I’m sure he’s crying into his textbooks right now.”</p>

<p>Totally. That kid got into Yale so it shouldn’t matter if Princeton discriminates against Asians. What is his problem? If we give him a good water fountain to use he shouldn’t cry about not being able to use our water fountain.</p>

<p>I love math, but Asians are only good at it because they are all forced to do it and they are robots. I have an affinity for math and I feel like I understand the aesthetics of it, like poetry. Math is basically an art form for me. For all Asians, math is just work and boring stuff they are forced to do. They are basically robots. They can’t understand the art of it. I understand the beauty of it.</p>

[poetsheart]

<p>Jsmith, if Princeton was discriminating against Li because of his race, why is it that the ONLY other student from his school admitted to Princeton that year was ASIAN?</p>

[katliamom]

<p>Jsmith - reading your post 746 (Asians “are basically robots”) makes me wonder – are you for real?</p>

[marge_sherwood]

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Math is basically an art form for me. For all Asians, math is just work and boring stuff they are forced to do. They are basically robots. They can’t understand the art of it. I understand the beauty of it.

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<p>Awww, aren’t you special.</p>

[jsmith14921999]

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Jsmith, if Princeton was discriminating against Li because of his race, why is it that the ONLY other student from his school admitted to Princeton that year was ASIAN?

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<p>Where do you get your information? Can you prove this? I doubt it.</p>

[StickerShock]

<p>Poetsheart is correct. Read the press coverage. </p>

<p>I’m assuming jsmith is making an attempt at satire. I hope so.</p>

[k_amp_s]

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i’m asian. last year while i was choosing my senior classes, i called an ivy league college if i should take a foreign language (i’m bilingual). the director of admissions there told me</p>

<p>“most asians can speak 3 languages anyway, so you might as well take another language class.”

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<p>That is not true at all. Most Asians in Asia can only speak one language (tho, the younger generations are also learning English in greater nos).</p>

<p>Most Asians in the US can speak 2 languages – English and the language of their ethnic heritage (tho, about 45-46% of young Asian-Americans can only speak English fluently).</p>

[k_amp_s]

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So many on CC have very legal understanding of this important phrase “systematic discrimination,” and this tired old thread is merely one more manifestation of that. Under no way, shape, or form have the private universities in the U.S. been systematically discriminating against any group – racial, ethnic, national, etc. – in the RECENT past – minimum, last 35 years. You merely demonstrate your vast ignorance of civil rights history in the U.S., of college admissions history, of the processes of reviewing private university candidates, and of legal terminology.

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<p>Uggh, not the same wrong spiel from epiph (again).</p>

<p>Uhh, within the past 2 decades, both UC Berkeley and Stanford have admitted to admissions policies which have discriminated against Asian applicants and subsequently change their policies which has resulted in the rise of Asian students at both schools.</p>

<p>Asian-American applicants make up abut 5% of the college-aged pop. and make up about 15-16% of the Ivy League student body (a representation which is 3x the pop. %).</p>

<p>Otoh, Jewish applicants make up abut 1.5% of the college-aged pop. and make up about 25-16% of the Ivy League student body (a representation which is 17x the pop. %).</p>

<p>I think the nos. speak for themselves (btw, didn’t AdOfficer state that Jews were still being discriminated against to this day at certain universities?).</p>

[jsmith14921999]

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Under no way, shape, or form have the private universities in the U.S. been systematically discriminating against any group – racial, ethnic, national, etc. – in the RECENT past – minimum, last 35 years.

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<p>Didn’t Stanford recently admit to discriminating against asians in their admissions process??? This is fairly well documented. So I guess you could call yourself completely ignorant of civil rights information. Or you are trying to delude yourself. Hahaha.</p>

<p>Since Stanford is not discriminating against Asians, Asians should go to Stanford. Leave Princeton alone.</p>

<p>We gave native americans TONS and TONS of land on reservations all over the United States. Yet I still hear people talking about how we did them so much harm. Do they want us to take back the reservations??? Hmmm??? Native Americans are getting rich from their casinos. They should be happy, since we can take it all back whenever we feel like it.</p>

[poetsheart]

<p>“We gave native americans TONS and TONS of land on reservations all over the United States. Yet I still hear people talking about how we did them so much harm.”</p>

<p>“We” took an entire continent away from the Native population of this land. You MUST be joking! You are, aren’t you…?</p>

<p>In case not, look up, “Trail of Tears” Might give you some insight. That’s just for starters.</p>

[Bay]

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Asian-American applicants make up abut 5% of the college-aged pop. and make up about 15-16% of the Ivy League student body (a representation which is 3x the pop. %).</p>

<p>Otoh, Jewish applicants make up abut 1.5% of the college-aged pop. and make up about 25-16% of the Ivy League student body (a representation which is 17x the pop. %).

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<p>If students representing 6.5% of the college-age pop. are taking 31-41% of the available spots, who is it that is being discriminated against? “Someone” is losing out on their alloted spots. Who is it, k&s?</p>

[ucsd_ucla_dad]

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If students representing 6.5% of the college-age pop. are taking 31-41% of the available spots, who is it that is being discriminated against?

Not necessarily anyone if no racial bias is used in the acceptance decision.</p>

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“Someone” is losing out on their alloted spots.

What do you mean by ‘alloted’ spot in this context? It seems that ‘spots’ should be earned and not alloted.</p>

[Bay]

<p>I agree with you on both counts, uc-dad. I was looking for clarification from k&s on his/her thinking in post #753.</p>

[padad]

<p>In today’s NYT Sunday magazine:
“In particular, U.C.L.A.’s experience suggests that some tension between race and class in the admissions process may be inevitable. Even as the number of low-income black freshmen soared this year, the overall number of low-income freshmen fell somewhat. The rise in low-income black students was accompanied by a fall in low-income Asian students — not a decline in well-off students. U.C.L.A. administrators say they don’t fully understand why.”</p>

<p>In a zero sum game as college admission, it never fails that the expense falls to Asain American applicants.</p>

[ucsd_ucla_dad]

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…it never fails that the expense falls to Asain American applicants

Since Asians are the majority racial group at UCLA it stands to reason that any increase in another racial group would likely have an impact on the majority group.</p>