Rental Property Question

<p>I could use some advice - sorry for the long post. </p>

<p>D has lived off campus for some time. Her current apartment we found advertised; when we viewed it, everything looked “fine” (which has turned out to be a rather relative word). We were told the departing tenants were professors who lived there for three years; they were moving because they bought a house. We viewed the apartment when they were still living in it, and everything looked nice and normal. I also did basic due diligence on the landlord and everything came back fine. </p>

<p>Anyway, D moved in, and, when I am in her college city, which is sometimes for 2-3 weeks at a time, I stay in the second bedroom.</p>

<p>It’s an o.k. apartment (duplex) in a very expensive neighborhood, and within a five minute drive to campus; we picked it because of the location, and because the landlord/owner lives right down the street. </p>

<p>There have been nothing but problems from the beginning - small problems though that I have more or less left up to D. The landlord is hopelessly incompetent, but, he is very responsive, clearly means well, and tries his best. He seems to have inherited this property and while he tries very hard to be a good landlord, he just cannot seem to do anything right. </p>

<p>Anyway, sometime early summer we got a note from him saying that he was leaving town for the summer, because of the heat. He also cares for his elderly mother, and the tropical climate during the summer months is too much for her. So he left instructions with names and phone numbers of persons to call if we need maintenance, and he disappeared. </p>

<p>Over the summer the small problems grew. The abridged version is that in addition to overgrown trees, bushes, shrubs and grass, the apartment is now almost overrun with more variations of bugs than I feel like listing. Plus, outdoors there are mice, rats, possum, and other weird things. The laundry facilities have stopped functioning correctly, and the landlord’s own property is hopelessly overgrown - I’m not exaggerating to say that it looks like the stage setting for Hogwarts. Oh - just this past week, I found mice droppings on the kitchen counter, although I have not found any other evidence. But that’s not a big deal - we don’t often eat there because the stove has never worked, although the landlord has sent two different people to try to fix it. </p>

<p>D has a ridiculous schedule - she works three paying jobs, carries 15 credit hours, volunteer coaches, and continues to serve on student council. She leaves home every morning without fail at 5:00 a.m. for practice, and does not return home until after 10:00 most nights, and she works both weekend days too. </p>

<p>Because of her schedule, and because the maintenance people we have been directed to call who show up are strange men who we do not know and who do not speak english, and who also do not appear to be affiliated with any specific legitimate companies (such as real plumbers, landscapers, etc.) I have taken over the responsibility of looking out for the condition and upkeep of the apartment. </p>

<p>The latest event is the ceiling in the living room. I have been calling the landlord and the maintenance people for weeks - and can document in my cell phone records - that I have been reporting a leak, and a growing crack in the living room ceiling. What happens in response to my calls is that the landlord calls back, leaves a message that says he’ll send someone; someone comes to look; they show up, look, and leave; I don’t get much accomplished trying to communicate with them as to their intentions because they never speak any english. So far three or four different unidentified men have come to look at the ceiling, as well as the roof outside; they stay for about five minutes maybe but nothing ever actually happens in terms of repairs. </p>

<p>Anyway, I’m traveling this week, and I called the landlord again Monday morning to explain that the ceiling problem is getting worse. He called me back; I asked him when he was returning to town but he wouldn’t tell me - he just evaded the question as if I hadn’t asked. (He always calls from a private or blocked number; I probably could trace him if I wanted to but prefer not to.) He said he thought this was taken care of already (but never explained exactly how he thought it was supposed to have been taken care of); that he would “send someone”; I asked him to send someone in the evening, if possible, and to make the time arrangements with D. D called later to report that he said he would send someone at 8:00 a.m., but, we both have explained to him repeatedly that she is never home at 8:00 a.m. - if he could arrange for an afternoon appointment, great. As far as I know, no arrangements have been made. </p>

<p>This morning, D calls to tell me the unsurprising news that the ceiling has finally given way and the drywall is all over the floor; there’s a gaping hole now in the ceiling. She said she is going to clean up the mess when she gets home from campus tonight, and that she will save the debris in a plastic bag, and photograph it before she cleans it all up. </p>

<p>My question is this: the lease is in my name (intentionally - this apartment costs more in monthly rent than the monthly mortgage, taxes and insurance on my 3/2 pool home with front and back yard in our home city). There are only four months left on the lease. There is other, better rental property available and I have appointments this weekend. I could literally rent something and execute moving D within days. </p>

<p>Am I justified breaking the lease? And assuming we leave the premises (if I pay the lease out or decide not to - in which case the landlord will keep the last months rent plus deposit), am I at some risk if this means that the landlord’s property is effectively abandoned? In other words, what is the risk if we move out, the apartment is vacant, and something happens to it (such as the entire rest of the ceiling caves in) - am I am the last person legally responsible for it, and the landlord is physically missing? I mean, it’s not like I can call him to do a walk-through; there isn’t a mailbox to write to him, and he doesn’t have email. When I call him, it’s to a local phone number - can leave a message only, and he calls back.</p>

<p>Too bad you are not a MA resident. The AG is running for governor. A call to his office would probably expedite things! I don’t know if the Better Business Bureau could advise you on this. It sounds like something for a lawyer.</p>

<p>My first response got eaten, so here it goes again:</p>

<ol>
<li> look up “tenant’s rights” for whatever state you are in.</li>
<li> check the lease to see your requirements for early termination</li>
<li> this is probably constructive eviction.</li>
</ol>

<p>You should DOCUMENT everything. Send everything certified letter. Make a note of all of the problems. I’ve found that, with stubborn landlords, a threat of talking to the Department of Health gets things done. Many states require that repairs be completed within a certain time frame. In Massachusetts, repairs that are health hazards must be completed within 5 days.</p>

<p>Your D should NOT clean up the mess until she’s taken pictures with a camera that has film, not digital, so that the pictures cannot be easily altered. She should do the newspaper thing and hold up a camera.</p>

<p>I would, if I were you, write your landlord a certified letter detailing the various issues and the ceiling problem. Depending on the termination clauses in your lease, you may be entitled to terminate for cuase, or your liability could be limited to your damage deposit. If either situation applies, then call him up, say that the situation has become unreasonable, and that you want to discuss your D moving out immediately. A lot of people hide behind flakiness. If your’e paying a mortgage-level rent, this is unacceptable. Simply state that the house is not fit for habitation in its current condition, that you have been more than patient with attempts to get repairs completed, etc, but that the time has come for you to explore other options. Follow up IMMEDIATLELY via certified letter. Do not be afraid to mention that the building is not up to Code and that you will contact the Health Department if all issues are not immediately resolved. Mice + ceiling = major violations. </p>

<p>This is not lawyer advice. When I was 20, I moved into an apartment with a lousy landlord. Our toilet would not flush - we had to throw our toilet paper in the trash (yes, beyond unsanitary; yes, a violation of Ma law). When I quoted the Massachusetts tenant’s rights at her and said that she had 5 days from original complaint to fix the problem, it got fixed the next day. When one room (for lack of insulation) would drop down to 40 degrees at night, nothing was done. The landlord stonewalled us. I got on the phone and said that it was likely a violation of the building code to have a room that lacks insulation and cannot be heated with the normal heating system (and she rented it out as a bedroom) - I then said that I would turn the matter over to the Health Department. She hung up on me, her mother screamed at me for hanging up on her, I reiterated my point, and it was promptly fixed.</p>

<p>I have zero sympathy for lazy landlords. They CHOOSE to rent out property. His situation is NOT your problem.</p>

<p>Thanks Marite and Ariesathena - if he were “normal” as in with an address, I would have sent the certified letter long ago. </p>

<p>I think I will do the letter anyway, send it to his address of record, and, then when it is returned, at least I can document I tried…</p>

<p>The rent is high because the area is very expensive. Most homes $500K & up.</p>

<p>It’s easier for me to simply rent a new place, rather than mess with government departments, etc. </p>

<p>My concern isn’t the money, it’s more - once D is moved, the apartment is vacant, as the ceiling or other conditions worsen, I am concerned that I will be blamed. It’s one thing to pay off the remaining months on the lease, which I don’t really want to do, but I CAN do it, if I need to in order to avoid being sued for the balance. But it’s something else entirely if the property continues to deteriorate, and I am the last legally responsible person to have had access.</p>

<p>Aries’ suggestion that you photograph everything is a good one. When you develop the photos, there would be a date on them. You could also get a building or home inspector to come and make a report. That would go into your file. You may also look into withholding rent. If he threatens to sue, you can point to the uninhabitable condition of the apartment. </p>

<p>I’m sorry you are experiencing such problems!</p>

<p>late -</p>

<p>I think all the advice above is good, but I am going to come at this from a different angle, and it may sound a little rough. But I think that you are too involved with your daughter’s life (“we looked at it,” “the lease is in my name,” “I call the landlord…” etc). There are alternatives to where she’s living, and I don’t want to get into that too much, but one of the things that is supposed to happen in college is that your kid has developed wings and is trying to fly. There will be some crashes, but your job is not to do everything for her.</p>

<p>I don’t mean to be so rough, and I know it’s very, very hard when your kid needs help. But who needs to take the blame for this one? This apartment was YOUR choice, right? Because of YOUR reasons for her to live there. Even aries say that she’s sorry that YOU are experiencing these problems.</p>

<p>I feel terrible saying all this, but I do think that when you get her out of this problem, my advice is to help her get on her own, finding her own place (within a budget).</p>

<p>I got married (first time) when I was in school. My new wife and I found a place (also a duplex) that we could afford. It was run down, in a very poor part of town, and our next-door neighbor was a single, welfare mom (extremely nice woman). We had fun cleaning the place up and trying to make it look nice. When my wife Dad visited, he was ready for us to leave IMMEDIATELY and he was going to find us a better place, and help us afford it. We refused, and I’ve never regretted that. But he was still angry that his daughter was living in such a place.</p>

<p>With no address and only a local number how do you pay the rent? I would place a call using a recorder stating that your message was being recorded and that you are relinquishing the apartment based on it’s irrepair in 7 days, taking pictures of the apartment upon leaving and making sure they are dated.</p>

<p>I once got out of a lease by simply stating to the lanlord that Florida law required extermination in every rental unit on a monthly basis but had never been done during the time I lived there. Searching for LandLord Tenant Law in state where you reside should be fairly simple. </p>

<p>If you send the certified letter be sure it is very well sealed and the certified labels are placed over the seal and do NOT open it if it is returned to you.</p>

<p>dig, I believe if I remember right that LTS essentially lives in two cities, one of which is where her D. is in school. (correct me if I am wrong) I don’t see this as LTS is too involved–this is an arrangement that has worked well for them and her D. has much more independence than students who live at home and attend school locally.</p>

<p>When I had landlord problems, I asked my parents for advice and help. Otherwise, I did everything on my own. </p>

<p>Sometimes, it’s a financial issue - rent is deductible from taxes, but the kids don’t itemize their deductions and can’t take it.</p>

<p>Digmedia, ordinarily, I might agree with you. D is 21 and old enough to enter into legal agreements, choose apartments, etc. But due to the choices she made, and that I fully support, she has a day that starts at 5:00 a.m. with practice, class for 15 credit hours, three paying jobs, and on-campus ECs. She has also continued to attend school through both summer sessions for the past two years - so 24 straight months of school. She packs for the day, including laptop, clothing, books, lunch, etc. and often comes home past 10 or 11, gets a fast snack, is in bed by midnight, and the alarm clock goes off every morning at 4:40, without fail. Plus she often travels weekends with her athletic team. She specifically asked for my help in finding a place. In addition, because of the extraordinary expense of the area, she cannot pay for rent, and, because of a tight market in the desirable rental buildings, plus the problem that many people speak little or no english, finding a place to live takes some work. That’s sort of how we managed to rent this apartment - it was the only place I could find at the time where the landlord speaks english, and where once I saw it, he would wait to allow D to view it before we made a final decision. In most of these situations, if you don’t show up with deposit in hand at first appointment, the apartment is gone within hours. </p>

<p>It’s a little better now in that the market has slowed down, but, it’s no less expensive. mkm56 is correct - I live in two different cities; plus I travel a lot. I have an office in the city where D goes to school; I am in that city sometimes for up to 3-4 weeks at a time, and when there, I live in the apartment. When D first wanted move out of dorm housing, I strongly suggested that she move in with college-age roommates. Though she has many friends, she didn’t want to do that - most college students don’t do well with roommates whose alarm clocks go off at 4:40 every morning, and, D has never been interested in parties, etc. She also has never wanted to live with other athletes so living with others who also keep this schedule hasn’t been an option - even in the dorms, she declined athletes housing in favor of honors housing. D wants to live alone, free from the interruptions of the types of normal activities that other college students bring. So this arrangement works for us - and I pay the bills, and do the operational support, so she can do all the other things she does, and, best of all, I am gone for weeks at a time, but there often enough so we can do things like shop or have dinner together, and sometimes even breakfast on Sundays. </p>

<p>She works the three jobs for strategic reasons - one is on campus; she has had that job for three years and believes will give her excellent references post-grad; another is at a county office and she believes is a good foundation for what might be her future career; the third is a TA, which she absolutely loves and believes will benefit her in some way in her graduate school applications, which she is also completing on top of all else. I don’t know how much money she makes total, but, however much it is, I doubt she can pay for a very expensive apartment plus utilities, plus, her purpose in working is not to pay rent, but rather to gain experiences that she believes will make her a stronger candidate for post-graduate education, and in the “real” job market. This all works well for us; we are very, very close, and she has even invited me to attend one of her classes with her when I return to her city next week because she thinks I’ll be fascinated (immigration???); she often invites me to campus to attend some function or meeting, or even just to grab a quick meal with her in between classes or nights when she’s working late. This gives her time to chatter at me about all sorts of things, lately it’s been career advice and grad school application issues - some of the things she asked for advice about I cannot answer or do not know enough about to help but it seems to help her in some way to be able to chatter at me. Perhaps we’re weird; perhaps this wouldn’t work for most people but it we like it; we value this time together greatly as we both know it will end when she goes on to continue her education/career, and I do not think I am inhibiting her independence. </p>

<p>Momstaxisvcinc, the rent payment is also very weird. When I first signed the lease, I signed up for automatic ACH payments, and, that worked - the rent was automatically deducted out of my checking account. But when the landlord left town for wherever it is he went, we got a telephone call from him saying that his bank was purchased by another bank, and the acquiring bank would not permit ACH payments, and that I needed to start mailing a check to some other bank somewhere else. I cannot remember the circumstances but I refused to do that - I cannot remember if I didn’t like mailing a check into a black hole, or if something about the arrangement set off my radar, and so I did not want to do that. So as a compromise, he provided me with an account number at still a different bank, and I physically go there every month to deposit the rent check, which is of course ridiculous. I prefer this though over his first request because I can actually look the teller in the eye and verify that the funds are going into an account named for the person I’m supposed to pay.</p>

<p>Oh - excellent advice Monstaxisvcinc, thanks for that, it didn’t occur to me to NOT open the envelope when the mail is returned. I never would have thought of that, but, you’re right, that way, if ever I find myself in a courtroom over this at least the envelope will be sealed…excellent advice, that.</p>

<p>Digmedia, as to the future, our long term plan is to buy in this city - we believe I can buy something, we can live in it briefly, and rent it - perpetually. We think it will be a solid long term investment, as we will both have interests in this city - separate interests - but very valid - for a long time. We actually started down this path intending that I would have purchased something by now, but, the market has been simply ridiculous, and my schedule has been bizarre, so looking for property has been problematic. The housing market is cooling some now so it may be possible to purchase within the next few months…we’ll have to see.</p>

<p>I agree with the advice to look into tenant rights where you live. The last place we rented was Germany, so I can’t help with the laws here, but unrepaired, appropriately reported damage could be repaired by the tenant and deducted from the rent. </p>

<p>In your case, I’d be inclined to look into paying the rent into an escrow account until the damage was repaired. But of course, you need to find out what you can do legally first. (There may also be a clause re: repairs, that the repairmen are allowed access to the apt. on their schedule. My S’s lease has that clause.)</p>

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<p>This isn’t that unusual. We have a lot of military friends who rent their houses when they are PCSed elsewhere and this is the usual procedure for collecting the rent. Now that there is email, the property manager has been eliminated. The tenant can deal directly with the owner even when the owner is 1/2way around the world.</p>

<p>Please look into tenant’s rights where you live. You can generally google the information these days. You may find that your state or locality has an ombudsman to deal with problems like you are having. </p>

<p>First things first – you should definitely review the tenant’s rights laws in your state or locality, contact whatever housing authorities exist where you live and consider springing for a consultation with a lawyer. One thing you may consider is having the repairs done yourself and then deducting the amount of the repairs from your rental payment. Keep good records and keep all receipts, though! You can decide to move out, or you can decide to withhold rent until repairs are made (though, generally, all withheld rental payments should be put into a separate bank account whenever your rent payments are due to show good faith). In each case, I would consult with an attorney before making these moves. You may want to contact the local bar association, which may host a walk in clinic on designated days, or you may be able to get some help from the clinics at a local law school, if you cannot afford to consult with a lawyer.</p>

<p>I would also follow the very good advice given earlier on this thread and put all of your complaints down in writing and send them via certified mail, however, I would also send them return receipt requested.</p>

<p>Maybe start by going back and READING the lease agreement you signed off on. It starts there. </p>

<p>Then what is it you want, to leave or to stay and have him fix things? If it is to leave, then do so if your state laws and the contract you signed allow for it.</p>

<p>LTS: I checked the leases we have with grad students in our rentals. We only have to give them notice that someone will be there to do repairs. It is the repairman’s schedule, not theirs or (usually, unfortunately) mine. </p>

<p>Does your landlord own both sides of the duplex? Is the neighboring tenant having trouble? Maybe they can help out.</p>

<p>Check your lease. Check with landlord/tenant sites for your city. Legal aid for tenants may be able to provide you with a translator, if the language is a problem.</p>

<p>Take photos of the damage. Move any personal property out of the room where the damage is. If you leave the furniture, etc in harm’s way and it gets damaged, you may not have recourse against the landlord. </p>

<p>Mail everything as suggested above and send another set of everything to yourself. Leave both unopened. Keep copies in a safe place. Be sure to include details of the damage so far and your fears about further damage.</p>

<p>Do you have a renter’s policy that might cover you if the apt is deemed to be uninhabitable or unsafe? If you file a claim, the insurance co. will then go after the landlord.</p>

<p>Good luck with all of this. Being on both sides (DD is renting a slum in NYC and they feel they can’t complain or the rent will go even higher), I can feel your pain and frustration.</p>

<p>latetoschool - I tried to send you a PM but your box is full. Here’s an abbreviated version of what I wanted to send.</p>

<p>I found a link that might help you. Check out
<a href=“http://www.landlord.com/landlord_law_florida.htm[/url]”>http://www.landlord.com/landlord_law_florida.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I’m a landlord myself so I usually look at things from the other side, but you certainly have the right to complain! According to the website, “You may be able to withhold rent if your landlord fails to do what the law or lease requires. You must however, announce your intentions in writing by mail, preferably certified, at least seven days before the rent is due to allow time to remedy the problem.If the problem is not corrected within the seven days and you withhold the rent, the landlord may take you to court to collect it. Under these circumstances, you must pay the rent into the court registry, pending the judge’s determination in the case.”</p>

<p>Your landlord doesn’t seem to be all that smart about landlord/tenant law, or he wouldn’t be handling things the way he has. If you send him a certified letter and start talking like you know your rights, he’ll probably fold like a cheap suit! But if you know a local attorney who could give you some advice, that would be best.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Patsmom and Andrew, thank you both very much for your posts. I do also appreciate the link, which I am reviewing tonight. I will not permit any negative information on my credit reports, so, I will pay out the lease rather than risk a legal event, even if I’m right. </p>

<p>I got on the phone earlier this morning, and, the short story is, after an entirely too long day I was able to get the ceiling fixed. Had no less than 10 phone calls with the landlord. Much of it was ridiculous, but, to his credit, he did respond. But that sort of forecloses my option to break the lease. And since I had to be here all day while the ceiling was being repaired, I had to cancel all the appointments to visit other properties. </p>

<p>I will still have us moved by November 1, though, because we shouldn’t have to be in continually placed in this situation. That means I will be ending residency two months before the lease actually expires, so, at least it’s not a huge amount to pay out, if that’s what I have to do. I will still send a certified letter detailing our continuing but more minor issues, since he is not in town, and even when I asked him today, he would not commit to when he will return, and the lease says I have to give a 90 day notice if I am not renewing. </p>

<p>Meanwhile, the entire apartment is an absolute mess, there’s plaster and all manner of dust and debris all over the place from where they knocked out the crumbling drywall and replaced it with new stuff.</p>

<p>Some states do not allow you to withhold rent. If you make the repairs yourself, you’re being generous.</p>