Research Experience & Letter or Recommendation

<p>Hi everyone,</p>

<p>I’m a pre-med student. Many counselors have shared with me the critical value gaining biomedical research experience and great letters of recommendation that result from that experience as a pre-med student.</p>

<p>I was searching online, and found this program: advancedbio.org/bls. Apparently it provides an online biomedical literature research experience under the supervision of a scientist mentor.</p>

<p>Would this be helpful for improving my chances of getting into medical school?</p>

<p>Thank you,
Massimo </p>

<p>No, this type of experience is not what is meant by “research experience”. </p>

<p>“Research” means either hands-on bench science research or clinical/public health research.</p>

<p>From your description it sounds like you will be compiling bibliographic resources. This activity really isn’t a basic or clinical research experience. </p>

<p>A letter from a person you have not directly interacted with in person will have very little value, if any, to the med school adcomms. </p>

<p>If you are looking to get involved in research activities, the first place to look for opportunities is within your own college or university. Talk to your science professors! Look at the homepages of bio/chem/neuroscience/public health (heck even look at BME or biophysics or math) professors to see what projects they are working on–then contact them about getting involved in their work. If you go to such a tiny college that these kinds of opportunities aren’t available–apply for summer research fellowships offered at other colleges.</p>

<p>Follow-up</p>

<p>I followed the link you provided. The BLS program looks like a scam. It offers an essentially worthless “certificate” in Biomedical Literature Scholarship. It’s charges a $889 fee just to enroll in the program and charges “tuition” for each unit of research you engage in. Additionally, there are no qualifiers or pre-requisites for enrolling–only that you’re able to pay the enrollment fee!</p>

<p>Run! Run away fast from this program.</p>

<p>Thank you for taking the time to reply WayOutWestMom. </p>

<p>1) I’ve been looking into research experience in the health sciences, and notice that literature-based research is becoming more of a norm due the biology information boom. My counselor was saying that getting experience writing a literature review article would be great - that is why I was considering this BLS program. If medical school adcoms find literature-based research unworthy, that would be quite sad.</p>

<p>2) My college is notorious for providing pre-meds horrible “research experience”. Many of my classmates cite their “research experience” as cleaning lab dishes, and helping grad students in mundane ways. I work full-time and am looking for an online opportunity that will provide me a structured research experience (lab or literature-based) that will allow me to have my own project, get feedback from scientist, and earn a letter. The BLS administrators shared with me that the letter of rec is written based on the research work completed, and the interaction between me and my mentor during the program. I don’t see this as any different than asking a course professor to write me a letter.</p>

<p>What do you think?</p>

<p>1) I work at a biomedical research facility and I can assure you that a literature review is considered a very weak research activity for scientists and physicians who work in academia. In fact, bibliographic development is more typically done by support staff–i.e. a librarian. Significant literature reviews (those that are published) are usually done by leading experts in their own unique area of expertise. Since you’re not a scientific expert at this point, almost anything you’d do would be not publishable and may not be especially correct or meaningful. To be blunt, at this point in your educational career you lack the necessary discriminatory judgment to conduct a well-done literature review. You also probably lack the necessary background in statistics to complete an accurate analysis about the methodology of most journal articles. </p>

<p>A literature review is typically a necessary first step in developing a research concept to the grant-writing stage. In that sense it’s valuable. Data mining and retrospective data/epidemiological analysis also useful scientific activities/tools–but I doubt you would be doing either since that seems beyond the scope of the BLS program.</p>

<p>I am additionally very skeptical of any “research opportunity” that charges for the privilege. Research opportunities are mostly volunteer or paid activities. (Both my kids certainly got paid for their work in a variety of research labs.) </p>

<p>Pay-to-play opportunities are viewed very negatively in academic circles. What you’re basically doing is paying for the LOR you’ll received at the end of the program. That’s extremely unprofessional since it places an obligation on the letter writer and will cause the letter be to be viewed as “tainted” and unreliable.</p>

<p>2) I hate to break it to you, but lab research is not glamorous and involves a lot of drudge work–which is why research labs accept untrained but willing hands (i.e. undergrads) in the first place. Undergrads have few to zero useful skills when they start out in the lab and are, in 99.9% of cases, a liability and a drain on lab productivity. It’s not surprising in the least that labs expect newbies “pay their dues” by dishwashing or serving as factotums for the more experienced (and productive) lab members. It’s a kind of an apprenticeship period all lab newbies need to endure. I can promise if you hang during the apprenticeship period, follow directions well, do additional outside readings on the research topic, demonstrate an interest and ask intelligent questions, and, most importantly, don’t screw up, you will advance beyond mere grunt work. Scientists for the most part love what they do. (Otherwise they wouldn’t be doing research in the first place. I can tell you as the spouse of a research scientist they certainly aren’t raking in the big bucks doing it.) They are always ready to encourage young minds who demonstrate a genuine interest in and aptitude for research. Those minds are the future of the profession.</p>

<p>The difference between a letter from IRL prof and and “internet source” is huge. The IRL prof hopefully has had contact with you in situation other than you being a passive consumer of their lectures. (And if they haven’t, then that prof is a very poor choice to seek a LOR from.) They can speak about your interests, your enthusiasm for your research project or your career as a physician, your interests, your intellectual curiosity, your interpersonal people skills, your leadership potential. In short, they can address those soft factors which are critical for med school admission. Additionally an IRL professor has a professional reputation to maintain for his acumen and judgment of the potential of his students. Frankly, internet “adjunct instructors” do not. (And may not even be locatable/responsive should a adcomm decide to contact them.)</p>

<p>Internet coursework/internet interaction is an extremely artificial and limited mode of communication and makes it very difficult to accurately assess someone’s real persona.</p>

<p>Very interesting and informative perspectives, thank you for sharing! </p>

<p>In my opinion, your perspectives rely on an assumption that all or most members of academia in traditional universities are actually interested in training students. Is that assumption consistent with modern reality? Many experts in academia would say no. To read these expert perspectives, you may find the following article interesting: <a href=“Our Universities: Why Are They Failing? | Anthony Grafton | The New York Review of Books”>http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/nov/24/our-universities-why-are-they-failing/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Academic Faculty in modern research universities are increasingly being funded by their research productivity, rather than pedagogical productivity (teaching/training new researchers). As a result, a growing number of academic faculty focus more on research rather than teaching/mentorship – and student evaluation of professor teaching-quality has dwindled throughout North America.</p>

<p>I think the development of diverse paid research experience programs that students attend to work on an independent research project under the guidance of real scientist mentors will become common with time, and should be encouraged. </p>

<p>I’m still thinking about this BLS program… if not helpful for med school, it may look good on my CV when I apply for a research internship. </p>

<p>If you want to pay for the program–it’s your money. </p>

<p>But I feel obliged to point out you can probably learn the same skill set at your home university. Maybe even for free. Check with the science library for a seminar on scientific literature research skills or something along those lines. It may be offered as 1 credit course through a science department or through the writing department (under technical writing?). You won’t get the personalized hand holding you’ll probably get for $899 + tuition you will with a virtual mentor, but it will cost you a lot less.</p>

<p>Mas1086 are you trying to sell that program? Because if you are actually trying to get into medical school and not just trying promote a program that is very expensive and of limited value to med school admissions then you should listen to wowmom. </p>

<p>Yep. I vote on trying to sell the program…which none of the CC community would fall for.</p>

<p>He’s absolutely trying to sell that program. The 2nd post made me think it was a genuine question from a student but the 3rd post is so blatant.</p>

<p>And he/she joined yesterday? Obviously doesn’t know the cc community can smell out that bs!</p>

<p>Before being accused of being a shill: 3 posts in 1 day
After being accused of being a shill: 0 posts in 5 days</p>