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<p>This was the nicest thing to come out of Her Royal Mendaciousness in a long time, and I think it is worth giving credit where credit is due. And I’ll be the mother-in-law will cherish her acknowledment for decades to come.</p>
<p>Could she just be paving the way for another secret confession? 
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<p>Aw well, she can always blame booze.</p>
<p>What’s that – that she is really a gay man in drag?</p>
<p>Lot of rankling of the “moral values” base these days. They aren’t real keen on their man, Bush either, since it appears that they have caught on to the fact that he has tried to buy their vote without delivering the goods.</p>
<p>I’m a conservative and I completely support gay marriage. As do many other republicans/conservatives I know. Somehow that is lost in the conventional wisdom. Hmmmm. We see marriage as a family value and we embrace it.</p>
<p>Zoos, I think you are a true “moderate”, because there are plenty of further right conservatives who are screeching still about the immorality of being gay in general, not to mention gay marriage (the horrors). Some conservatives still think one can just “control” being gay, kind of like controlling whether to eat that candy bar or drink that beer. In fact, it was a topic of discussion on CC not many days ago.</p>
<p>But committed relationships in marriage IS a family value!</p>
<p>The big question, from a political perspective, is whether the moment was “planned”. Was Rice trying to show her independence from the Administration? Or was the Administration trying to send a signal of independence from the fundamentalist Hate America crowd? Or was it totally unscripted? (highly unlikely).</p>
<p>Inquiring minds…really don’t care. It was a good moment whichever was the case.</p>
<p>“Zoos, I think you are a true “moderate”, because there are plenty of further right conservatives”</p>
<p>There are definitely further right conservatives (and particularly religious conservatives) who don’t support gay marriage, but there are more like me than you might think, we’re just not interesting enough to get noticed in the press. Or we muddy the waters of demonizing conservatives. Not sure which. Anyway, I know many liberals who don’t support gay marriage, either, so there you go!</p>
<p>Allmusic: What do you mean by “controlling” being gay? The number of people who believe one chooses to be gay is quite small. Are you speaking about controlling whether you act out your sexuality or remain celibate? That is a choice made daily by both gays and straights, and it is a matter of willpower, much like resisting candy or alcohol. Some gays stay in more conservative religions and remain celibate, or at lest make a conscious effort to do so. Other gays choose to fully embrace their sexuality and choose another faith or skip formal religion alltogether. All are freely made choices, with varrying degress of angst and difficulty inherent in them.</p>
<p>Choosing to remain celibate because one is gay? I hardly think choosing celibacy because one is gay is like resisting candy or alcohol. As a heterosexual (which I assume you are), would you choose to remain celibate, if you weren’t a priest? Would you choose to deny your sexuality?</p>
<p>Sexuality is an important part of human life. “Choosing” celibacy, is a very difficult choice, and even the priests seem to have had difficulty keeping that vow.</p>
<p><…it appears he has tried to buy their vote without delivering the goods.></p>
<p>But it was explained to us on CC not too long ago that the formation of a theocracy under the Bush administration was imminent! You mean all those books about the fundamentalists controlling our country were wrong? I am so confused! ;)</p>
<p>People remain celibate all the time for various reasons. Who said it was easy? I’m just saying it is possible. Choosing celibacy is not denying your sexuality. It is choosing not to exercise it.</p>
<p>Well, this is a test:</p>
<p>Match each of the following Hate America leaders with the adjectives with which they were describe in the White House:</p>
<p>Pat Robertson
James Dobson
Jerry Falwell</p>
<p>“insane”
“goofy”
“has to be controlled”
“ridiculous”
“nuts”</p>
<p>“Compassionate conservative” Bush promised (in his speech on “compassionate conservativism”) that he’d spend $8 billion in new funds on the poor. He’s only got $7,940,000,000 to go (but maybe he meant “the poor in spirit”, i.e. Halliburton ;)).</p>
<p>I agree that one can choose to be celibate
my book group companions tell me that once you hit menopause- interest in sex- drops dramatically-
sounds unfortunate:(</p>
<p>Sex for most of us however- is as strong of a drive as hunger or for shelter-</p>
<p>We live in a nation where we have an obesity epidemic-
denying a basic drive is certainly not easy- and I wonder of those who are obese- how many are stuffing themselves- because they are trying to build a wall to hide from something that they don’t want to deal with?</p>
<p>Is advocating people deny a part of themselves- going to make a healthier society?</p>
<p>But why should they be celibate, just because someone thinks the behavior is aberrant? Why should someone make that choice when it isn’t in their best interest, but only out of guilt, denial, etc.</p>
<p>Again, would YOU deny YOUR sexuality? Easier said than done, I think.</p>
<p>I have never seen more hatefulness than from Republicans in the last five years. What I most deeply resent is my patriotism being questioned because I have always opposed the war in Iraq.</p>
<p>My father was active in our local Republican party – I always refer to him as a “Gerald Ford Republican,” and he must be turning in his grave to hear the venom expressed by conservatives to anyone who disagrees with them. Shame, shame, shame.</p>
<p>No one is denying gays their sexuality. Far from it. Go to Wikipedia for a complete listing of “cruising” sites, for example. A few years back we learned that our local Strawbridge department store men’s restroom was a favorite crusing site–who knew? Even Andrew Sullivan, who lives with his “fiancee” (waiting deperately for the day they can be married) got in a wee bit of trouble a couple of years back when Michael Signorele (famous gay activist) outed him for posting a personal on a barebacking (unprotected sex) website. Trouble is, Sullivan has AIDS. Sullivan said he “thought” it was an AIDS barebacking site. That particular site has since been taken down. No, no one is denying any human being their right to express their sexuality, as far as I know.</p>
<p>Well, at least Condi would recognize his marriage.</p>
<p>I don’t understand the attraction of having sex in bathrooms-
eeww
If you can walk down the street with your intended proudly and get snappy service in a restaurant, why would you need to have a “date” in the toilet?</p>
<p>Allmusic, How do you know they are reacting to the judgment of others? Or acting out of guilt or denial? It’s not just priests who take a vow of celibacy. Hindu & Buddhist traditions believe in celibacy as an elevated choice. Some secular people are celebate for simple reasons, like avoiding STDs. Most people who are voluntarily celebate are not denying their sexuality at all. They see celibacy as a freeing experience, allowing them to focus on a higher calling. I imagine it takes incredible discipline to achieve. Different strokes for different folks.</p>