Rising Junior from Georgia - Unsure of His Chances [4.0 GPA, environmental science, geophysics]

He expressed interest in less-reachy OOS options. He already has UMich on his list, which would be significantly more costly than any of the ones I pointed out. Just running some examples up the proverbial flagpole, of OOS flagships with potential.

The budget rebuttal applies equally to the elite privates, depending on eligibility for need-based aid.

Certainly OP should discuss budget with his parents, and understand that outside scholarships (and music scholarships for nonmajors) aren’t likely to make a significant dent in college costs.

I get it. I sent some too - u of SC and School of Mines, U Houston work. Wisconsin is typically the natural sub for Michigan. Great thought.

I’m just telling OP slow down. There’s no ACT - a target doesn’t matter til you achieve.

And it doesn’t seem like he knows $$. That’s all.

As we know many kids plan and then go oops after the budget chat. .

I have a ton of Ga co workers. They won’t allow their kids to leave. When my company relocated the ‘free’ college was a selling point to get people to move.

Georgia parents of the top kids are hard core for in state - most anyway.

Plus OP might not realize but Atlanta is huge in emerging technologies. It’s one of the largest (#10) major metros for EV. It’s a climate focused area overall with top research facilities - even if not one of the carbon capture cities OP mentioned.

Thank you so much for everyone’s feedback - I’m really touched by all the super helpful and insightful comments. I’m just going to make a large response that covers most of the remaining questions everyone has.

  1. The budget chat:
    I know I might have come off as naive and entitled when I said I didn’t have a budget, but there are a couple of reasons why. First, my parents told me that they have been saving for college for a while and that they want me to go to the college that best fits me, regardless of the price. They can say this confidently since both of them are doctors - yes I don’t want to become a doctor so please just don’t comment on this. Also, since there’s three kids including me, they knew they would have to save up a lot (both had a lot of student debt so they really didn’t want us to rack it up also). However, my brother just got into Emory this year as a graduating senior and he got a 50% off scholarship which takes away a lot of the financial burden. That being said, I know I’m extremely fortunate that my parents can support me, but that doesn’t mean I should just disregard price completely. At the end of the day, Georgia colleges will always be a top choice, but I think it’s also good to shoot for the stars since it can’t really hurt you.

  2. Why isn’t Georgia Tech on the list:
    I forgot. Sorry. Yes I will definitely put it on the list because it is a fantastic college choice.

  3. Just don’t do Geoengineering cuz it’s such a controversial/theoretical field:
    Well, I want to pursue this field for the Carbon Dioxide Removal part and not the controversial Solar Radiation Management part. Since CDR is a rapidly growing field with large investment it will be crucial in order to reach climate change goals with a tighter budget. In fact, Carbon Capture and Storage which is part of CDR is expected to lower the costs of climate change efforts by 50-200% in order to reach 2100 climate goals. Geophysics, environmental sciences, etc. are all related majors but my first choice is Geoengineering which is why I included some of those unreachable schools since the professors there are huge in that field. I even reached out to one of them although he stopped responding to me :frowning:

That also brings up a great point. I have reached out to a few professors now, almost all of which have responded to me. However, they stop responding to me after the first email and I don’t know why. I just send the first one asking them questions about research and the feasibility of pursuing XYZ in their field and follow up stuff after they respond. But they don’t respond the second time. If anyone has thoughts on how to improve my cold outreach I would really really appreciate it.

Again, thanks so much everyone!

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Do you know which firms or organizations are big in your field ? You might be able to view some resumes on linked in

Here’s some names you might research and even contact if you peruse.

I imagine you can find lots in lots of geological majors involved.

As for multiple emails, profs are busy. Not all are engaging, and perhaps they are one and done.

You can keep trying.

Better might be on a school visit - even locally - ask admissions if they can set up a meeting with Dr So and So so you can learn more about opportunities at the school. Admissions is trying to sell you - a good AO will jump through hoops for you.

Good luck

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Carbon capture remains controversial as well. For a current perspective on this, this Scientific American article, written by a geoscientist, may be of interest:

In any case, even aspiring geoengineers at, say, Princeton need to choose a suitable major. Geoengineering is not available there. This is inconsequential, however, in that physical scientists on the undergraduate level will be well prepared by choosing courses and majors from foundational fields such as geology, chemistry, physics, math and computer science. In Princeton’s case, geological engineering is available as a certificate program.

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I’m just a graduating senior, but I think geo engineering is an incredible field to go into! It’s rapidly growing and very interesting in my opinion :slight_smile:

At this stage, however, carbon capture has more often been associated with industrialism than environmentalism. This succinct comment appeared in the Guardian, for example:

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If money is an issue, and maybe even if not, start prepping intensively now for the PSAT, which you should be taking thru your school in mid fall this year. If you make national merit, it buys you a full ride at Alabama and Tulsa, maybe othrr schools too, and free tuition at a lot of schools.

Just noting that this student will already have free tuition at all of the Georgia publics. It certainly doesn’t hurt to prep for the PSAT, but most of the NMF kids I know still choose Georgia Tech or UGA honors over Bama andTulsa.

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One of my relatives is a well-known geophysics professor (glaciologist) who worked at NASA. Like he’s been on national news lots of times. Some of the North American schools where his main collaborators work include: U of Washington, U of Utah, U of Alaska Anchorage, U of Alaska Fairbanks, U of Colorado Boulder, Colorado State, Oregon State, UCSD/Scripps, U of Edmonton, UBC, and U of Alberta.

Don’t sleep on the Department of Atmospheric and Earth Science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville (this is different from “Bama”). Especially for its ties to NASA. Give that school a serious look. It will provide truly unique opportunities for an absolute bargain.

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I also encourage you to browse the abstracts from last year’s American Geophysical Union annual meeting. You can browse by topic, or search for terms or institutions. This might give you some fun insights. I do see that there were plenty of presenters from UA Hunstville…

The talks and posters listed in these sessions might interest you in particular. Click on the “paper” titles listed at the bottom of each page and you can read details about the research and the researchers.

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Assuming family has the money for room and board.

Student said budget not an issue. Message 23 #1. At least R&B wouldn’t be.

Doesn’t mean being an NMF wouldn’t still be awesome tho !!

The OP stated that the parents are both physicians, have money in college savings, and are willing to pay full price for the right school.

We are also a medical family in Georgia. While I don’t know the parents specialties, I can tell you physician salaries are quite high here relative to the cost of living. (In the case of my husband’s specialty, practices have been bought out by hospital systems and compensation is about twice the national average). It would be very unusual for anyone in this demographic to be worried about the cost of room and board at our in state schools.

The students we know who spend a lot of time prepping for the PSAT are a) hoping National Merit will look good on applications to elite universities and b) know from taking PSAT 9 and Pre Act that the SAT is their test of choice and PSAT prep will carryover to the SAT or c) really want to leave the state and can only afford to do so if costs are less than our in state options.

Again, not saying this student or anyone else in Georgia shouldn’t spend time studying for the PSAT, just that many people here don’t find it necessary given that HOPE/Zell Miller scholarship covers full tuition at schools the calibre of UGA and Georgia Tech.

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Hey OP! You’e gotten lots of good advice already and I wanted to shed a bit of light on the music aspect of things. Note that UGA does not offer music scholarships to music minors (although, you still have to audition; if you still intend to go through with a music minor at uga, start prepping your audition rep by at least beginning of next summer if not towards the start of second semester of junior yr. UGA requires a movement from a standard violin concerto, an etude, two three octaves scales + arpeggios, and a movement from solo bach. paganini caprices also seem to be accepted, but make sure to email and check). You could consider an AB in music if you would still like the chance to get a scholarship; I’d say you have a very good chance at receiving one. Kennesaw also has a great music program and great violin professors. I’m unsure if they offer scholarships to music minors, but you’d be a great contender.

Georgia tech doesn’t seem to have a music minor program and they don’t offer music lessons through music faculty. However, the close proximity to atl should help you get in contact with many violin teachers (a good amount of aso members likely teach lessons in the atl area). GT has an audition-only symphony orchestra. Scholarships also seem to only go to music technology students, although I could be wrong about that.

I’ll warn you that getting a music scholarship from Rice, Vanderbilt, and UMich could be difficult for a music minor (being a violinist doesn’t exactly help either). Rice also doesn’t seem to have a music minor program, although you can take courses in music with approval.

It’s important to find colleges with great programs for your major but also start thinking about things such as location, culture of the general student body, extracurricular opportunities, diversity, and campus size. I’ll throw in a few suggestions:

Bowdoin, Davidson, Middlebury (liberal arts colleges; could be reaches)
Indiana university bloomington, SUNY ESF (can be good safeties)
University of Rochester, Lehigh (could be targets)
Wake Forest, Boston University (could be reaches)

Shifting the topic away from music and colleges, if you want even more of a boost to your EC’s (which are already really great!), try for Governors Honors Program! They should offer a field in sciences that interest you and that you can apply for. The application process starts early iirc and I think you need a teacher to recommend you for it by late August/early September. Talk to your school counselor or a teacher (your APES teacher should be good to talk to and doing so could help you establish a rapport with them that would be useful for letters of rec. i’m going off on a tangent here, but the APES teacher could also appreciate you helping out after school or in lunch breaks. Science teachers often need some help with labs and APES teachers especially, if they also have animals kept in the classroom to take care of).

On the topic of letters of rec, your orchestra teacher would be an AMAZING recommender. They would have seen how you’ve grown over four years and if you stick with the orchestra student mentorship club, they’ll be able to attest to your initiative, leadership, compassion, and lots of other great qualities. The only caution I have is that they might be counted as an “other” for recommender instead of a teacher, which would make you need to find another core teacher for recommendations. Your engineering teacher should fulfill that requirement though!

You have a very good set of EC’s, are already a very strong applicant, and have a good list going! College applications can be stressful and as a recent hs graduate (also from ga!), the advice I have for you is that you don’t need to have it all figured out right now. Think about college applications, but don’t let it consume you (at least not until midway/towards the end of your junior year, haha)

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