Rome Trip - New Year's Eve

<p>I’m a newbie, currently gagging with laughter after reading some posts from Sinner’s Alley. Why didn’t I find you guys (not a purely masculine reference) about 4 years ago, before my oldest started college? You lost me with the marmot references, though…</p>

<p>Anyway, it sounds like many of you are travelers, so perhaps you could give input about a possible trip to Rome to celebrate my oldest’s college grad. Family of 4, thinking about being there for New Year’s. I was considering renting a place through that VRBO (Vacation Rentals By Owner), rather than hotel. Good/bad idea, for a 10-day stay? I was looking at the Trastevere area - Good area for a lively, genuine Italian experience?</p>

<p>Any/all honest feedback would be much appreciated, so I don’t blow it.</p>

<p>An apartment is a good idea, just make sure its near transportation…we did Rome last year and LOVED it…not sure what winter weather will be</p>

<p>We used the DK eyewitness travel guides…simple, by neighborhood, and current</p>

<p>On one of the first few days, take the tour on the double decker buses from the train station, you get the layout of Rome, see stuff you might not get to, and you can get off and on at great stops</p>

<p>The Vatican museum is SOOO worth the line to get in…make sure you go downstairs and not just see the famous stuff, some of the art was AMAZING, and no crowds</p>

<p>Also, climbs to the top of St Peters, windy stairs, but worth it, there is a cafe near the top</p>

<p>Shopping, and the spanish steps, and walking everywhere</p>

<p>We loved Rome, and we never made it out of Rome (only there for 4 days) but take some day trips</p>

<p>Villa d’ Este is my all-time favorite place. A short bus-ride from Rome proper. My recommendation is arrive during daylight and stay after dark. Completely different experiences and both are breathtaking. Nearby is Hadrian’s Villa.<br>
<a href=“http://www.italyguides.it/us/roma/rome/renaissance_and_baroque/famous_squares_fountains/villa_d_este_tivoli/villa_d_este_tivoli.htm[/url]”>Virtual travel to Rome, Italy: attractions & things to do - ItalyGuides.it;
<a href=“World Is Round”>http://www.worldisround.com/articles/8134/index.html&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“Hadrian's Villa - Photo Archive”>Hadrian's Villa - Photo Archive;
<a href=“http://www.italyheaven.co.uk/tivoli.html[/url]”>http://www.italyheaven.co.uk/tivoli.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>noregrets,
We rented a wonderful, 2 bedroom, apartment in Rome last June. I’ll PM you with my trip report link and photo link.</p>

<p>noregrets,</p>

<p>I sent you some info on private message, but now I see a few other parts of your message that I didn’t address.</p>

<p>Personally I love the Trastevere neighborhood. BUT it might not be for everyone, and on your first trip you might be better off near Piazza Navona or Campo de Fiori (my fave). If you are in Campo de Fiori you are right across a pedestrian bridge to Trastevere - and Trastevere is a great choice for restaurant locations. </p>

<p>We rent apartments a lot when travelling with our kids, but not much when it is just two of us. What people need to know about VRBO is that it is just an internet site. You are renting from individual people - so quality, reliability, honesty will vary! We have rented VRBO either when we know the “complex” (Mt. Tremblant), or there are several good reviews on slowtrav.com from people I know have been on line for awhile (Paris, Rome, London). BUT in two of those cases we rented better apartments through agencies.</p>

<p>Thanks, all, for sharing your expertise ~ I’ll be planning this trip for a while, so keep it coming, if you think of anything!</p>

<p>Noregrets, here is a link to a travel website that specializes in apartment rentals and long term stays. It has a large number of reviews of various accomodations (some are true, some may be planted, who knows, it is the internet) - it is almost as good a source of info for your question as CC is for college ;). It is a forum based website, like much of this one, there are ads, but a lot of freee info, too.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.slowtrav.com%5B/url%5D”>www.slowtrav.com</a></p>

<p>On most Mondays, but not today, the Washington Post has a travel chat. This link will get you the archive of the chat: <a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/19/LI2005041903919.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/19/LI2005041903919.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I have posted travel questions there and always gotten “been-there-done-that” answers that were very helpful, as well as providing extra information.</p>

<p>Excellent - Like CC, I think the forums would be the best place to glean up-to-date info. I imagine issues with overseas travel might be a rather fluid… In my websurfing, I’m now getting the yen to make Paris my destination (must be my roots calling…), but it’s to celebrate my son’s grad, so I guess he should have some input. My husband has 100% Italian heritage, so my kids both feel an affinity for that culture. So… what makes Italian roots more appealing than French roots? Hrmph.</p>

<p>We are trying to get to Italy in August and I’m having no luck whatsoever finding reasonable airfare. I’ve tried the usual discount travel sites to no avail. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!</p>

<p>noregrets-
You could do both Paris and Rome! That’s what we did for son #1’s graduation. The flight from Paris to Rome on Ryan Air can be VERY cheap and it’s quick. You’d want to book your flight from the US “open jaw” (in one city, out the other). Of course they are both fabulous cities and make a great contrast if you do both. Your teens will love them!</p>

<p>anonymom-
Beware Rome in August - especially the early part. Italians go on vacation then, so you get quite few closures (especially of the family-run places and they are the best) and the city is even more concentrated with tourists than usual. Also VERY, VERY HOT!</p>

<p>What kinds of airfare are you seeing?</p>

<p>BTW I PM’d you back.</p>

<p>Be sure to see the Villa Borghese (museum) - many of the tours miss it. Spectacular - advance tickets required.</p>

<p>noregrets,</p>

<p>You can avoid waiting in line if you buy tickets for the Vatican Museum in advance. It can be done on-line. In fact, you might want to do the same for other attractions.</p>

<p>If you want the taste of authentic Roman cooking try some of the numerous “Trattoria” s around. Trastevere, I should think, will have quite a few. They are not fancy like the “Ristorante” s, which cater to tourists, but the food is excellent and the experience is really Roman. </p>

<p>If your husband is of Italian descent, my guess is that Rome, and Italy, will have a special appeal for him and, by extension, your children too. I think that one’s heritage bestows a certain intangible bond to a place that is unattainable, perhaps, by others. By that I do not mean to discourage others from travel, just that the experience will be different – while still enjoyable. You, for instance, since you hinted at your own French descent, may feel more “at home” when you do visit France. It is just something one keeps in one’s “genes”, as it were.</p>

<p>My mother is from Rome, so I have been visting Italy for fifty-some years now and, in fact, spent five of those years living there, between Rome (where I went to boarding school), Genoa, Florence and Naples. So, I can vouch for what a special feeling it has.</p>

<p>Best of luck on your trip and keep this in mind: Throw out any and all pre-conceived notions of what Rome/Italy is like. Walk the city, tune in to the pace, walk some more, only slower, linger here and there, look at the beauty that man has been able to create in the span of 2400 years! Read a little about it but do not bury your head in a guide book. Stop. Let it flow into you. Forget time! Rome has so many layers of it — so awesome and (somehow) comforting to feel just that, if nothing else! Let yourself become part of it. It will permeate your senses if you are receptive. Be child-like (with adult common sense and manners!) and you may just find, by some propitious turn, that Rome becomes part of you – heritage or not! Many worse fates have befallen man…and when you return to the States you may have an amazing new perspective.</p>

<p>Arrivederci!</p>

<p>My eclectic and informal guide to Rome. This is written from memory so some of the dates may be off by a few years.</p>

<p>Details to Notice in Rome:</p>

<p>In The Forum</p>

<p>The Arch of Titus
The Romans built arches to commemorate some great military triumph. The Arc D’ Triomphe in Paris is a modern imitation of a Roman arch that was built by Napoleon. At one end of the Forum is the Arch of Septimius Severus - an emperor who was born in Leptis Magna (modern day Tripoli, Libya) and ruled in the early 200s A.D. At the other end is the Arch of Constantine - the first Christian emperor who lived about a hundred years later than Septimius. But in the middle of the Forum is a smaller but rather neat little arch - the Arch of Titus. </p>

<p>Titus was an able general and was also the son of the emperor Vespasian - a general himself who became emperor in the turmoil that ensued after the assassination of Nero in about A.D. 67. The arch was built to honor Titus’ victory over the Jews from their revolt in AD 68 - 70. As you walk under the arch, notice the carvings on the underside showing soldiers carrying booty out of the temple in Jerusalem - the huge menorah and other Jewish stuff. It was during this sack of the temple that the Ark of Covenant first disappeared, without which we wouldn’t have had all those Raiders of the Lost Ark movies 2000 years later. The sale of the booty from Jerusalem and the temple helped to finance the construction of the Colosseum, which was started in the reign of Vespasian and completed 8 years later in the reign of Titus. To this day, Jews will not walk under the Arch of Titus since it celebrates the destruction of their temple, which has never been rebuilt. The Western Wall in Jerusalem is the last vestige of the temple that Titus’ troops destroyed. </p>

<p>Titus later succeeded his father and became emperor himself. Like his dad he was honest and upright and a good administrator, but he died under possibly mysterious circumstances after only three years in office - the main suspect being his evil younger brother Domitian who succeeded him. The destruction of Pompeii by the eruption of Vesuvius happened during the brief reign of Titus. </p>

<p>The Temple of Antoninus Pius and Faustina
Antoninus Pius was the fourth of the Five Good Emperors who ruled Rome from approximately AD 100 to AD 200 - forming the absolute golden age of ancient Rome. The stalwart Faustina was the emperor’s beloved wife and she actually died first. He built this temple in her honor. When he died some years later his name was added to the inscription as well. They are described as DIVAE and DIVI respectively - the feminine and masculine forms of the Latin for “divine” indicating that both were elevated to be gods after they died. Only psycho emperors like Caligula and Nero had themselves made gods during their own lifetimes. But it soon became routine to deify any halfway good emperor after his death. </p>

<p>Notice the Christian church which was later built right inside the ruins of the pagan temple. It was built in about the 6th century. And that huge bronze door you see there is the originals, having stood there on its hinges for over 15 centuries</p>

<p>Inscriptions
Notice that many of the ancient inscriptions on arches in the forum and elsewhere contain the abbreviation SPQR. This stands for Senatus PopulusQue Romanum, meaning (In the name of) The Senate and People of Rome. It means it has the official stamp of the government. It is still used today - you see it in Rome on modern public works such as manhole covers and fire hydrants. </p>

<p>The Pantheon
Not to be confused with the Parthenon in Athens, the Pantheon is unique in that it is a temple dedicated to all the gods (pan = “all or every” + theos = “god”) instead of honoring the gods one at a time as was the usual custom. The temple you see was built by Hadrian (the third of the Five Good Emperors) to replace an earlier pantheon that burned down. The original was built ~130 or so years earlier by Marcus Agrippa, the emperor Augustus’ side kick and favorite general. The odd thing is that the inscription you see on the front of the building still credits Agrippa and not Hadrian, even though the structure that Agrippa built is long gone. It says: MAGRIPPA (some other titles) FECIT = “M(arcus) Agrippa made this.” (“Fecit” is pronounced “fekit”).
The wonderful thing about the Pantheon is that it is made almost entirely of concrete - very similar in composition to modern concrete. The Romans invented concrete and used it to great advantage. But like much of their advanced technology, the recipe for concrete was lost in the dark ages and was not reinvented for many centuries.
Many scholars believe that the current Pantheon was designed by Hadrian himself, since he was known to be a talented architect. Hadrian was an interesting character - very talented, very literate. But he didn’t get along with his harpy of a wife Sabina. All agree that Sabina was a very disagreeable person, but the whole situation was not helped by the fact that Hadrian seemed to prefer the company of good-looking young men. His favorite was a Greek youth named Antinuous, who died under mysterious circumstances in Egypt during a trip down the Nile with Hadrian. Some suspect that one of Hadrian’s ministers or generals pushed the lad overboard. Some say it was suicide. It’s still a mystery to this day. Hadrian never really recovered from his grief over the loss. At Tivoli, the ruins of Hadrian’s villa outside of Rome, they have dug up dozens of statues of Antinuous in various heroic guises: Antinuous as Pharaoh, Antinuous as Hercules, Antinuous as Apollo, etc.</p>

<p>The amazing thing about the Pantheon is the dome. Thanks to the use of concrete and some very clever design features, it was for centuries the largest unsupported (i.e. no interior columns holding it up) dome in the world from the time it was finished in the second century A.D. until 1965 when the Astro Dome was completed. Engineers in the middle ages were completely baffled as to how the Romans did it. How could that dome possibly stand up? In fact some medieval Church leaders proposed that, since the Pantheon was originally a pagan temple, demons must be holding the dome up. This despite the fact that the Pantheon was converted into a Catholic church in the middle ages. It was the only possible explanation.</p>

<p>The Spanish Steps
If you walk up the Spanish Steps and head to the right, you will pass by the building in which the poet Keats died. It has been made over into a museum to him and some of the other 18th and 19th century literary figures who lived in the Piazza Di Spagna area - Keats, Shelley, Byron, etc.</p>

<p>The Spanish Steps area is a popular hang-out for tourists, especially kids on backpacking tours. Panhandlers there can beg for your money in over a dozen different languages. I once got panhandled in Finnish because I was wearing a “Finland” t-shirt, but he immediately switched to English when he saw I didn’t understand. </p>

<p>Beware of pickpockets around the Spanish Steps too. In fact, beware of pickpockets all over Rome, especially gangs of little Gypsy kids. They will approach you waving things at you and making a lot of racket to distract you, while they surround you and one of them lifts your wallet. If you see a gang of Gypsy kids approaching, cross to the other side of the street. Do not let them get within 20 feet of you.</p>

<p>Food
You can get great Italian food pretty much anywhere in Rome. Be sure to try a pizza. They do the crust differently there. It’s very thin and crispy, almost like a cracker. Restaurants always give you a basket of great tasting bread called a rosetti - a loaf that is roughly flower-shaped. It is identical to the charred bread found still on the tables of Pompeii, served nearly 2000 years ago. Also try the linguini in white clam sauce. It’s wonderful in Rome. I’ve searched in vain for years to find a US restaurant that makes it half so good as they make it in Rome.</p>

<p>I’m not sure if it is still true, but when I was there it can be hard to find a restaurant open on Sundays. If your hotel doesn’t have food service, you could be pretty much staring at McDonalds. There is one in Piazza Di Spagna. Order a “torta de melle calda” and you will get a McDonalds hot apple pie</p>

<p>I envy you for your trip. I love Rome.</p>

<p>coureur,</p>

<p>What a wonderful history lesson! You obviously do “love Rome”. </p>

<p>Something should be said for the character of the Romans, too, which is warm, friendly and surprisingly uncomplicated – seems ironic, given Rome’s history.</p>

<p>Believe it or not, craigslist has spread to Rome and many of the listings appear to target Americans. They are adverts for vacation rental apartments with some decent photos and listed prices to give you a good idea. <a href=“http://rome.craigslist.org/vac/[/url]”>http://rome.craigslist.org/vac/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I have stayed in Rome six times over the last 23 years. The longest stay (to date) was three plus months and the shortest stay was five days. I have rented an apartment four times–twice in the same location–once with two small boys, once when those boys were teens and twice without boys. I cannot get enough of Rome.</p>

<p>That short term apartment complex was an old convent on Via di Ripetta, near Piazza di Popolo. Stunning! Sadly converted into luxury condominums. A marvelous location. Five minute walk to the Spanish steps. 20 minute walk to the Pantheon, twnety minute walk to the Vatican. there were plenty of grocers near by. I even sent my five year old out to buy milk when we stayed two weeks with our boys.</p>

<p>The last apartment we stayed in was an archtiect’s place just off the Piazza Navonna. At that time the boys were 11 and 15. We went at Christmas time and there is a wonderful nightly Christmas carnival set up in Piazza Navonna each night during the holidays. I do not know if it is still up for New Years, but it is so very charming. We spent an hour or two there every night–having desert or a wine or coffee while the boys went round to all the stalls selling Christmas trinkets and the carnival game stalls.</p>

<p>Besides Navonna, the Piazza di Spagna and the surrounding shopping streets are FILLED with teenagers and theri families on winter nights. So much so that my fifteen year old BEGGED us not to stroll through there with him in tow. Too embarrassing!</p>

<p>Inveterate walkers, we walked to Trastevere many times. I love the restaurants there and the Villa Farnesina <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Farnesina[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Farnesina&lt;/a&gt;, but Trastever doesn’t have the quintessential streeet life that the Piazza Navonna and the PIazza di Popolo do. It is less urban than those other areas–and I think less fun for a tourist–especially young tourists.</p>

<p>Feel free to ignore me, but I would encourage you to look for an apartment nearer to the Spanish steps or the Pantheon or Campo di Fiori or Piazza Navonna. You’ll be surrounded by the buzz of Roman street life in those neighborhoods. You will be within a twnety minute walk to almost everything. Your kids will be fascinated.</p>

<p>And even though these areas are jammed with tourists in the summer time, they still have a wonderful array of shops and grocers supplying the surprising number of locals that live in the areas. Also, a visit in the winter is a visit to a whole different Rome. Four of our visits have been during the fall/winter and during those visits, we were able to walk right into the Sistine Chapel. My boys spent many hours trying to sort out the meaning of Micaelangelo’s Last Judgement–completely unimpeded by crowds. <a href=“http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/michelangelo/lstjudge.jpg[/url]”>http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/michelangelo/lstjudge.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The reason I can spend so much time in Rome is because of the thousands of art and architecture treasures stored there. BEfore you go, I suggest a book like The Art and Archtiecture of Italy <a href=“http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300078897/202-5161842-8675019[/url]”>http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300078897/202-5161842-8675019&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

<p>For researching those treasures and having a handy pocket guide, you cannot beat the English guide called The Blue Guide Rome: <a href=“http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393328872/sr=8-1/qid=1149050101/ref=sr_1_1/102-6749251-7910508?_encoding=UTF8[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0393328872/sr=8-1/qid=1149050101/ref=sr_1_1/102-6749251-7910508?_encoding=UTF8&lt;/a&gt;. It is a the next best thing to having an art history expert at hand as you come upon thisor that church or painting.</p>

<p>To find your way around the winding streets with sure footed accuracy and a long lasting map that is small enough to fit in a pocket,
try Streetwise Rome : <a href=“http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0935039678/qid=1149050284/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-6749251-7910508?s=books&v=glance&n=283155[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0935039678/qid=1149050284/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-6749251-7910508?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Finally, I don’t know about your teenagers, but when I took mine, they slept in! In Rome! When it was dark at five o’clock! I let that tear me up for the first few days and then H and I split our day into two. Morning? Three hour walking tour of art and archtiecture we knew wouldn’t interest the boys. AFternoon and evening? Three hour tour or exploration of something we knew the boys would adore (ie climbing up into the dome of St Peters–too scary for this mum)–plus visits to grocers or restaurants and one or two coffee shops.</p>

<p>When my H and I move back to the states, I plan to take a Gap Year. Another 8 week stop in Rome is on that agenda.</p>

<p>Have fun! </p>

<p>ps I’m not sure how anyone who keeps up with Italian politics or Juventis scandals can say that Italians are uncomplicated but to each his own impression!</p>

<p>We rented an incredible apt a block or so off of the Piazza Venezia (?sp)-- near Campo de Fiori, close enough to walk to the produce market there. </p>

<p>The apartment was on the top floor of an ancient building and it had a roof terrace with views over the whole city… wow! </p>

<p>We also got connected with a great history professor who gives tours. My H is a huge Rome-ophile so he loved having someone very knowledgable who could go into details. His name is Bryn Jenkins and he should be listed in the Rome phone book.</p>

<p>There was one great museum-- I think it may be called the Museum of the city of Rome?-- that was a bit outside the center of the city but was very worthwhile. There is another place way outside the city, in a suburb area that’s accessible by train (closed when we were there), that has a model of the entire ancient city in miniature. We were sorry to have missed that.</p>

<p>cheers,</p>

<p>So glad you are smitten with Rome too! </p>

<p>Yes, to me the Romans (and the Italians as a whole) are uncomplicated because they are the inheritors of an ancient culture and empire, that being long past, affords then the luxury to simply “live life”. </p>

<p>They are no longer trying to maintain their “number one” status (like another very young world power we all know). They have “been there and done that”. There is a certain intangible quality in the Italian culture that the United States, for all its material and consumer “wealth”, simply cannot achieve. Hence, the attraction Americans have for Rome, Italy, etc., stems from a desire for the unattainable. Time is perhaps Italy’s most precious commodity (speaking in good old capitalistic terms!). It is time which cannot be bought, it can only be waited for, and it only comes…with time!</p>

<p>Finally, I do not follow Italian politics or soccer — why would one want to?</p>

<p>I’m blown away by the incredible detail in all of your responses - My trip (and my family) will be much richer for it - Many, many thanks! I especially liked Leonid’s suggestion to get my nose out of a tourbook and just experience it. I can’t promise that I won’t be insecurely clutching “the book”, but I will indeed try to simply let the place work its magic!</p>