Don’t they have to cross the sea before they can get on the train? Would ISIS fighters like to get on a dingy?
Is someone checking every refugee to ensure that they have done time on a dinghy before entering the country?
Post #280, the Iraqi have been training for fit and swimming preparing for this journey. It was on the news or radio. I don’t see why ISIS fighter can’t do the same.
I find the naïveté astounding at the question “Would ISIS fighters get into the dingy?”
Political correct again.
Whether or not ISIS members are actually hiding among the refugees doesn’t change the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of the asylum-seekers aren’t terrorists.
So Europe has done the logical, humanitarian thing: offer a helping hand. I would assume while also being quite vigilant who they’re helping and using its own intelligence to infiltrate the new immigrant communities to look for terrorists among them. They’ve done this before, and they’ll no doubt do so now.
But let’s not be dense: terrorists have been getting into Europe long before the immigrant crisis. So unless they (and the Americans) lock themselves behind an iron curtain and defend their borders with gunfire and not let ANYBODY in – including tourists and extended families visiting their European relatives because, you never know!) ISIS, Al Quida, et al., will be entering societies they want to harm.
Do you want to lock yourself in a place no one wants to or can penetrate? Move to Mali or North Korea. And certainly cancel any future travel plans to Europe. You could be ISIS in hiding, too.
Gernany has shut the open door, at least temporarily http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/13/germany-to-close-borders-exit-schengen-emergency-measures
Another article. Germany, particularly Munich, is being overwhelmed by the refugees. Train service from Austria is being stopped. What a mess. How many of the refugees are coming directly from Syria and how many from other refugee camps in Turkey, for instance?
You do realize quoting ‘Das Bild’ is like quoting the National Enquirer.
Also notice, other than the token few the pictures in the above articles show young men making up a vast majority of the crowd.
There have been a few cases of people arrested trying to cross borders with ISIS materials. Bulgaria, for example, has arrested 5 men. As to the idea that the vast majority aren’t terrorists … really, is it necessary to say that? The point is that even if 50 are, that’s 50 people committed to violent terror. Imagine if those were coming into your country.
As to the future, I suggest reading the New Yorker’s long and somewhat rambling piece about France. It focuses on a single man - a role model, btw - but it’s a glimpse IMHO into the future. First, I note it repeats the same basic ideological stance: the poverty and disaffection of the Muslims (from Africa, N. Africa and the Middle East) is France’s fault. My take is somewhat different and I’d wager this is what happens with the current wave of refugees. That is, a relatively thin slice will become professionals (and they almost all will have roots in the Syrian professional classes) and a larger slice will move into replicas of their prior lives as shopkeepers, barbers, small merchants, etc., mostly serving their own countrymen and some more. Syrians again will tend to do better because it has had a genuine recent history of creating businesses and a much better educational system than Iraq or other Arab countries. But the great mass, particularly the young, will be aimless and in a while we’ll see stories of their disaffection and how they hang around and listen to music and drink and harass women and all that and then how the extremists draw those disaffected in and that’s why bombs went off. The problem with the narrative of “it’s the West’s fault” is that we fail to recognize these masses aren’t Western, that they aren’t used to a society that requires a different educational and social commitment to achieve and that they end up, as in France and the UK now, recreating the general conditions of their homes, with similar levels of men doing very little and relative aimlessness, except now they’re in the West and they begin to blame the West for their own lack of achievement. They’ll blame Jews because, look, the Jews are successful and they can’t in their minds connect the dots that the Jewish method for achievement is extremely simple: get educated no matter your circumstances, whatever it takes. As the New Yorker article mentions, Jews and Muslims used to live in the same ghettoes. I have to note, in fairness, that in absolute numbers I’m sure the number of Muslims who have succeeded out of these ghettoes is at least as large as the number of Jews - isn’t difficult to say that because there aren’t many Jews left in Europe! - but the ethos of success isn’t widespread in these communities, as I noted when I talked about Syrian professionals.
Because of my work, I have friends and contacts throughout Europe. Most of them are young men and women . The hail from countries such as Bulgaria, Macedonia, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary , Romania , etc. What they say differs from the mainstream media accounts of what we are seeing on the news. They all voice the same concerns and that is the influx of refugees is comprised largely of men in the same age group as themselves and they are VERY concerned. What they are hearing from their family members and seeing for themselves isn’t necessarily what we are seeing…they are worried and I think they should be.
While I am not denying there is a serious humanitarian crisis happening, Europe is overwhelmed and cannot properly vet the incoming at the rate they are flooding into their borders.
Personally, I think what we are witnessing is the beginning of WW3.
Perhaps Merkel’s goal is to attract young men to conscript into the military. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11861247/Merkel-expects-Cameron-to-back-EU-army-in-exchange-for-renegotiation.html
Gadaffi must be smiling from beyond. He used to articulate a strategy of Islamic takeover of Europe based on their higher birth rates versus the locals’ declining rates. This makes it even better, and I’m sure there are a lot of Muslims who look at this whole “crisis” as a positive.
This thread is starting to sound like the one about ebola.
Lol, you know, they do have airplanes in the Middle East. Those who can afford to fly, do.
@GMTplus7, that’s the point that others were making. If ISIS can fly in, why would they mingle with refugees? It’s not as if they lack European nationals who have the papers to legally move (back) to Europe.
@Dadof3, not sure if you noticed, but the North African birthrate has been dropping like a rock and is now barely above the replacement rate. I don’t think the Asian countries in the Arab world are doing much better.
Because by flying in and claiming refugee status, they could eventually get a EU passport which would enable them greater global mobility with less scrutiny.
Dropping like a rock? They still lead everybody else
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
Muslim population growth by countries, shows that Islam is the largest religion in Asia and the fastest growing religion in Europe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth
@DrGoogle,??? Did you look at that link?
I see a bunch of sub-Saharan countries leading in birthrates.
@GMTplus7, why would ISIS bother doing that when they already have a bunch of European nationals with EU passports?
ISIS could establish a caliphate in Europe simply through overwhelming numbers.
PurpleTitan, yes I did look before I posted the link. The link shows the birthrate in a lot of countries in the Africa continent is much higher than other countries in Europe, above replacement rate which is 2.10
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/europe-682137-countries-european.html
A piece on how the crisis of migration threatens Europe and the US, particularly the working and middle class.