Root cause of the refugees/migrants crisis in Europe

[Bay]

Here is another article about the ISIS threat to Germany:

In a recent execution video from the Islamic State group, two European nationals claiming to be members of the militant group threaten Germany with attacks as they use assault rifles to kill two men in Palmyra, Syria. In a rare German-language video message, the militants from the group – which is also known as ISIS or ISIL – call on their “brothers and sisters” in Europe to join them in Syria or to carry out attacks in their home countries.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-threatens-germany-islamic-state-jihadists-vow-attacks-european-soil-spilling-2041662

[awcntdb]

Isn’t there a popular quote that “when someone tells you who he is, listen to him?”

I believe this is what you are talking about - it is a quote by the late Maya Angelou, which she said was her most critical and useful life lesson.

Maya Angelou said, “The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them.”

And, in the same vein, all the opposing European leaders had to do was to read and to take seriously Mein Kampf by Hitler, In the book, he says exactly what he was planning to do to rest of Europe and the World. He hid nothing. The only hiding was by other European leaders who refused to accept someone was that evil.

We are witnessing the reliving of this pollyanna-ish view of other people.

[DrGoogle]

On BBC news, even Pakistani are waiting in Hungary borders. What’s with that?

[MiamiDAP]

I urge you not to make any conclusions without reading some (preferably non-English, from inside) blogs. The situation is terrible, much worse than we know and has been much much worse than we knew. I mean it has been really bad for the citizens of European countries…and getting worse day by day.

[awcntdb]

Well, if this is not the definition of being entitled? And exactly why is entry into any country something that others think they can demand?

Interesting video at the Hungarian border when immigrants tried to run over the border fence. Of course, Hungarians should just allow you to overrun them - NOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RfrpwAEMe0c

The Hungarian crack down followed the suspension of the Schengen free movement area by Germany and Austria this weekend. It became clear to German authorities that a significant number of the migrants they were processing were not in fact refugees from Syria.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/state-of-emergency-hungarian-police-fire-tear-gas-at-rioting-migrants-trying-to-break-through-border/

Seriously, at what point will the PC people get it that they are just being taken advantage of, as usual? There comes a point where you have to have a clue to defend yourself, your country, and your values that created a stable country and existence for you.

(Emphases mine)

[Dad_of_3]

Seriously, at what point will the PC people get it that they are just being taken advantage of, as usual?

PC people calculate that allying with the migrants to gain power is worth the price.

[MiamiDAP]

“where you have to have a clue to defend yourself, your country, and your values that created a stable country and existence for you.”

• It is much worse than that at some places. Absolutely horrifying. Older citizens are getting moved to the smaller apartments and their places are given to refugees. The elders are told that they do not deserve their places. I have very hard time reading what is out there and it is getting worse every day. Citizens of some countries are simply pushed to the intolerable situations to accommodate every whim and strange requirements of the refugees.

[greenwitch]

From der Speigel:

Indeed, even the very first requirement – that of finding shelter – is proving a challenge. Many cities are running out of facilities that can be quickly transformed into asylum hostels. And shelters made of containers, an idea that many have sought to apply, are in short supply, as became clear during a refugee summit held by CDU lawmakers in Rhineland-Palatinate earlier this week. And if they can be bought, the prices are high and the waiting list is months long. By then, winter will long since have set in, rendering insufficient the tents where many refugees are currently being sheltered

German bureaucracy and building ordinances, not surprisingly, are exacerbating the challenge. “At times, it is grotesque what is being blocked,”…That was even a problem for three apartments belonging to the protestant charity Diakonie in the town of Mühltal near Darmstadt. The apartments had earlier provided housing to the disabled, but fire protection rules are stricter for apartments housing refugees – as Mühltal Mayor Astrid Mannes was shocked to learn.

What happened to the disabled people being housed there? The article doesn’t say.

So what will happen to Germany and its refugees? Will the majority opinion hold, or will it begin to shift? The country still has 2.8 million unemployed. What happens if these people start to believe that they are being passed over for jobs in favor of refugees? And what happens if, when they get asylum protection, the refugees start competing with locals for apartments in the low-price market in major cities, for which the demand is already highest?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-asylum-system-stretches-to-breaking-point-a-1052546.html

[LakeWashington]

It’s utter turmoil now in the E.U. Germans are clearly re-thinking Merkel’s invitation. Problem is, Syrians and others still may come. And those already in Europe may fight, i.e. riot, to stay there.

[mcat2]

The previous post reminds me that:

1. A smaller group of “bad” people could create a lot of problems for a much larger group of “good” people but somehow the latter are powerless against the former.

2. If your country is next to some “bad” neighboring countries whose citizens (or their imported laborers either illegally or legally, like many countries have these days) could easily get into your country and they choose to do so for whatsoever reasons, you will have a lot of headaches.

3. To a certain degree, what is said in 2) could also be applicable to a “bad” neighborhood vs a “good” neighborhood within the same country (e.g., within the US.) So, it is not easy to be totally without the segregation in a country, no matter how politically incorrect it may be. The question is to what degree people will segregate with each other. People in two segregated neighborhoods on the opposite SES ends by and large have very different life styles. (You rarely see very poor tourists at an upscaled hotel/resort or an expensive entertainment park.)

4. Almost no country is capable of taking in a large group of people within a short time without potential turmoil. There are few good alternatives if the receiving country does not take in any refugees either. It is a lose-lose situation, whatever way you choose to do.

[awcntdb]

It’s utter turmoil now in the E.U. Germans are clearly re-thinking Merkel’s invitation.

This is not surprising.

Unless one has his head ion the sand, it makes no sense to accept people into your country who openly do not care to become part of your country’s culture; want to establish a separate existence within your borders; yet, want to use housing and services of your country, which really should be going to actual citizens, who have the country’s best interest at heart.

Let’s call it what it is - it is called free-loading in every-day parlance.

Edited to add: However, Merkel’s (Germany’s) issue of a shrinking workforce demographic would still need to be solved. However, getting people who actually want to be part of European infrastructure and culture would be much smarter than this nonsense.

[TatinG]

I’ve been reading some European travel websites to see what travelers in Germany and Hungary are seeing first hand. Some report no train travel problems. Others report problems. One person said the line of traffic at the German border with Austria was horrendous, so they took a little mountain road to avoid it. Other potential travelers are canceling plans for Octoberfest or travel in Eastern Europe, concerned about disruption and delays.

[Lergnom]

[url=<a href=“http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany%5DHere%5B/url”>http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany]Here[/url] is an article about rape among migrants/refugees and by them in Germany. Interesting thing to me is the TV news almost always shows women and children but every single piece I’ve read about the numbers of migrants says they are overwhelmingly young men.

[Bay]

If the numbers hold, there will be about 800,000 young male refugees entering Germany this year, and less than 200,000 women, most of whom are probably already married.

[zoosermom]

Right, Bay. In other contexts, i.e., the “missing” girls of Asia, we know without question that large numbers of unattached males are a problem, but we’re supposed to pretend this is ok?

[TatinG]

The migrant crisis in graphs. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

While Syria is sending the most migrants, most of the migrants by about 2 to 1 are not from Syria.

[Periwinkle]

Germany may change its laws regarding benefits for asylum seekers:

Germany itself is mulling an option to slash benefits for migrants. The German measures would overhaul asylum codes to stem the massive flow of migrants into Europe, scaling back the generous policies that have made Germany a beacon for desperate war refugees and economic migrants pouring out of the Middle East, Africa and beyond.

In a 128-page draft law produced by the German Interior Ministry and obtained by The Washington Post, the government would speed asylum procedures, cut cash benefits, hasten deportations and punish those with false claims and phony paperwork.

The proposed German law would provide food and a ticket to return to the first E.U. Union country the asylum seeker entered — often Greece or Italy — instead of offering housing and cash benefits. That could mean far fewer people would win protection in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, since countries such as Hungary are generally declining to award refugee status.

In addition, asylum seekers deemed to be withholding vital information — such as their passports or proof of their country of origin — would be denied benefits. Asylum seekers also would need to remain in crowded reception centers for six months, rather than three, before earning the right to subsidized housing.

Those who failed to comply with orders to leave Germany could be subject to forced removal without advance notice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/as-europe-tightens-borders-germany-mulls-tougher-rules-at-end-of-refugee-trail/2015/09/18/6cb66596-5c93-11e5-8475-781cc9851652_story.html

[DrGoogle]

I wonder if the German people read this thread. What a turn around.

[Bay]

I wonder what Germany’s “forced removal” looks like.

[greenwitch]

I have an exBIL who is a policeman in Sweden. He works with human smuggling and immigrant processing. Curretly, he’s working lots of overtime! He says they are running out of places for them to say.

He says there are families coming but not that many. Mostly men. Many are not refugees. He complains about them being arrogant. Many try to refuse being fingerprinted but that’s a violation of the Dublin Regulation which is an EU wide fingerprinting record to ensure that refugees end up in their original country of refuge (or something like that). Some countries have suspended the Dubin Regulation at this time, others are insisting on it.