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<p>Dang! Does this mean I have to fire my housekeeper??? :(</p>
<p>Cleaning your own house: public HS::Having a professional clean your house: private HS.</p>
<p>This depends on values/time. I know a family whose kids (5) went to Andover. They didn’t have a cleaning service - that was what the kids were for! ( when the kids weren’t there- it was much cleaner!)</p>
<p>I have hired help myself however, because I am just not very efficient at cleaning/organizing- I get so distracted- & am more likely just to shove everything in a closet.</p>
<p>Teens/young adults seem drawn to trying to stimulate the frontal lobe ( which I assume aids in development). Whether they try dumb/risky things like using substances or adventurous activities like Parkour and [url=<a href=“http://www.alpinedave.com/uw_buildering/index.html]buildering[/url”>Climbers Guide to the University Range]buildering[/url</a>], it doesn’t mean they are * bad*, just going through a developmental stage.</p>
<p>the point is that illegal bad drugs are also used at prep and boarding schools. There may be degrees of “badness” when it comes to drugs but none are really good or legal.</p>
<p>Believe me- the only difference is in schools re: drug/alcohol use, is that kids who have money/their parent’s money have access to different drugs/alcohol, than those less endowed have.</p>
<p>Your kids may be using drugs/alcohol or they may not be- but someone at the school is.</p>
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<p>No, by transitive property of equalities:</p>
<p>housekeeper (esp full time) = elite prep HS = >40% admit to the Ivies = you are a really good parent</p>
<p>Congratulations!!</p>
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<p>With the rising costs of private HS, soon only parents who avail themselves of the benefits of a free public education will be able to afford professional cleaning help.</p>
<p>Of course coke is better than Meth…all actors know that. Way easier to memorize lines with lines</p>
<p>Sooz: here’s my concern with you counseliing kids to go to college to learn acting:</p>
<p>Would you go to a liberal arts college to learn carpentry? Or plumbing? Or cooking? Acting is a trade and best learned in trade school and on the job. Most college theater arts programs hurt young actors. So unless you only send your clients to tisch, Yale, USC, and a few others you’re doing more damage than good</p>
<p>pacheight…do you have a son or daughter who wanted to pursue a degree in one of the arts? We do…and we were happy to help our kid with his college search (both undergrad and grad). I’d love to hear your research based data that supports that kids going to acting schools are “hurt” by these programs. Where is that research?</p>
<p>Pacheight, glad you think well of cocaine. </p>
<p>As far as post 526, it truly is not appropriate to this thread and is very off topic. You have argued that point on the Drama Majors forum. I, as well as many other CCers, do not agree with your opinion. BFA programs are professional degree programs where the craft of acting or musical theater are given intensive training. As well, students gain a college degree and many believe that an informed actor is also a better actor. In any case, while you believe that actors should just go straight to NYC or LA and learn on the job, many believe that they benefit from training that a BFA program provides. While there are many paths to this career field, and some make it with no degree or formal training, plenty who work in professional theater have earned BFA or MFA degrees. I do not believe that those who attend college professional degree programs are being damaged. In any case, the decision to attend is made by the applicant and his/her family and for those who seek such an educational path, they benefit from guidance in this specialized admissions process. I am not a consultant with regard to the industry, but only to those seeking a college education, including those pursuing performing arts degree programs. Once in these BFA or MFA programs, the professional faculty guide them about the industry. </p>
<p>What is your connection to the industry? </p>
<p>In any case, my advisees and my own kid wanted a college degree program in this field. My own kid has been working professionally since the day she graduated. We have no complaints. I know countless other grads from a myriad of BFA programs who are now working in the field, including at the highest levels such as Broadway.</p>
<p>This is so not on the topic of this thread. I’m only answering as I feel you undermined what I do and also mischaracterized my field of work. You have offered plenty of “advice” on CC’s forums and have never once said what your connection to the industry is or what your area of expertise is. Mine is college admissions, not training actors for the industry. My advisees work with artistic coaches and teachers on their artistic training. That is not my area of expertise.</p>
<p>PS, my daughter is performing on stage in Manhattan tonight and every single cast member has a degree. Also, coming up, her own original musical is being produced in NYC and every single cast member has a degree and some have been on Broadway. She is also a lead in the show. A degree hasn’t hurt these people.</p>
<p>Sooz: a college education is important. But most colleges do not know how to train actors. And sending your clients to places like Indiana only hurts their acting skills.</p>
<p>What you do for a living hurts most of your acting kids. Engineers doctors attorneys advise kids about college because they work in their professions. You have no clue about professional acting…what you’re doing is dangerous</p>
<p>Actually, college counselors, including myself, advise applicants to colleges for engineering, pre-med, pre-law, and a zillion other majors. I help kids in those fields as well. A college counselor helps with college selection and the admissions process itself. Someone looking to go into any field, should also talk to those in the industry about the field. That is a different kind of advice than advice with regard to college admissions. </p>
<p>For example, someone pursuing acting works with artistic coaches who are professional actors/teachers. All my advisees do that. The college admissions process is a separate facet than the training or artistic coaching. One better be a pro at acting to coach someone in acting. One need not be an actor to assist with college admissions. One doesn’t have to be an engineer to help a student with admissions to colleges for engineering. </p>
<p>What is your knowledge of the acting industry? You give advice about it a lot on CC. What is your area of expertise? Are you a professional in the field?</p>
<p>By the way, I do believe many fine BFA and MFA acting programs know how to train actors. If your opinion is that they don’t, that is just your opinion. Somehow, many actors coming out of these college BFA programs are getting professional work.</p>
<p>Big generalizations going on. Tommy Lee Jones. Private HS (on Scholarship). Harvard grad (also on scholarship, cum laude as I recall).</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> Meets Hollywood. Celebrities Who Went To College | The Online Learning Blog from Study2U](<a href=“http://blog.study2u.com/317/harvard-meets-hollywood/]Harvard”>http://blog.study2u.com/317/harvard-meets-hollywood/)</p>
<p>Natalie Portman also went to Harvard. And they don’t even have a theater major.</p>
<p>(she is also an alum of the summer theater program my D attended for 8 summers growing up 
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<p>pacheight, I have no connection with drama/musical theater,etc but I have to say that your posts related to soozievt seem to be getting increasingly mean spirited. You’ve been asked more than once about what your area of expertise is that qualifies you to give all the advice you keep wanting to give.You don’t seem to want to answer. In contrast, soozievt , has been very forthcoming . This thread has gotten very off track.</p>
<p>I agree with sevmom.</p>
<p>Acting is a trade and best learned in trade school and on the job</p>
<p>I was under the impression that theatre encompasses just as much breadth as say working in the field of biology.</p>
<p>A very good friend of D’s that she met at a top LAC earned a theatre degree. Two years after his graduation, he earned an OBIE award- ( although I believe he is now on the west coast earning a graduate degree in theatre @ UCLA)</p>
<p>Some people do undertake college degrees specifically to add to their resume so they can get a job.
Some people undertake higher education to add to their resume, yes, but also to add to the depth & breadth of their knowledge & experience.
That can enrich their work, whether they become an actor/playwright, deign to craft jewelry or design hats, or sell bicycles.</p>
<p>( Incidentally, it isn’t unusual for a successful plumber/cook to have a college degree. [Tom</a> Douglas](<a href=“http://tomdouglas.com/]Tom”>http://tomdouglas.com/) for instance attended the UW & earned a degree in business, and a friend of my fathers who had a very successful career as a plumber did the same)</p>
<p>That’s terrible that it didn’t make the Forbes top 20 prep school list which is extremely authoritative and this means automatically that your DD won’t make any top college, honors, awards or even minor achievements in her lifetime.</p>
<p>i’ve said all along that a college education is important. and i’ve said some programs for actors are good, tisch, usc, yale and some others. </p>
<p>however most programs don’t help the actors coming from them and in many cases hurt them. does it matter what my qualifications and experience in the entertainment industry is? will that really change sooz’s opinion? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>my advice to kids wanting to act is to get a college degree and at the same time start working in pro theater/tv/film and get private training unless you’re in a good college program. so where do you do that, primarily in LA and NY.</p>
<p>“Natalie Portman also went to Harvard. And they don’t even have a theater major.”</p>
<p>exactly, that’s my point.</p>
<p>and I know the summer program, that’s a fun place. And a nice family that runs it. Natalie is a good example of what I’m talking about, start working, work with pros and yes get an education! Although I would have chosen Stanford over Harvard, if she had the choice.</p>
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<p>Yes. Your statements have been categorical, but you offer nothing to back them up. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to say what exactly qualifies you to be so dogmatic about this. Otherwise, keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself and stop disparaging a professional who knows a world more about the subject than you do.</p>
<p>BTW, your statements about the size of rural high schools, and your comments on the merits of coke vs. meth didn’t exactly boost your cred. ;)</p>
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<p>And here’s another demonstration of how much you don’t know. IB is worldwide, but it is NOT uniformly spread over the globe. In the United States, it is concentrated in certain regions, and sparsely represented in others. For example, there are well over 100 IB schools in Florida, and there’s 1 in Vermont. So it is hardly surprising that IB would not be a huge blip on the radar screen for Vermont educators.</p>