<p>pacheight, There’s also in many cases a big difference because of Title IX between men and women in recruiting circles in non revenue sports .I believe your daughter was in rowing or crew or something? My 6’6" son got to UVa (as a former bb and vb player in high school)and was accosted 3 times by players/coaches about coming out for crew. They saw him at the initial student activites event for 1st years. He called me and said, these guys won’t leave me alone, what should I do? He had no experience whatsoever in crew or rowing. They said we live together,train together,it’s fun,etc. (also we get up by 6am so he declined). UVa men’s rowing or crew I believe is club as is men’s volleyball(unlike for the women which is varsity-I’m sure you’ll correct me if I am wrong-I am certain about volleyball ). Many more opportunities for women in things like volleyball, crew.</p>
<p>my kids did not go to a prep school. public HS. however, and kind of getting back towards ivyhopes op, they attended what I’d call an “elite” public. it’s ranked somewhere in that top 100 public ranking some magazine does. 100% matriculate to college, 82% to 4 year schools. and it’s an athletic powerhouse, recruited athletes in most sports to all the top schools.</p>
<p>But the price of admission is 1.7 million plus for a house. (this is the same as paying tuition at a prep you just paid it in real estate…and yes some people pay for both). Super nice people in this community, very helpful but an attitude, a culture, of high performance. Andr if you’re not good at something then I think it could be hard on a kid, there are so many high achievers a mediocre performer could get lost.</p>
<p>So a kid with the dna to sing, dance and act on stage gets a lot out of the resources in a community like this, the resources help them take their natural gift to the next level. And these resources are most often not in theater, it’ll be hard for people who don’t live in a community like this to understand, but for instance some of the parent coaches who run the state and national championship academic clubs are teaching the kids presentation and dramatic skills far better than most acting teachers. These are individuals who are at the top their profession and what their transferring to these kids is how to perform at your highest potential. This is a huge gift for a child with natural gifts and potential. I know my kids took advantage of it. </p>
<p>these prep schools or elite publics can make a big difference in a persons life for what they learn about hard work and performance, not for what college they matriculate to</p>
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<p>Like any profession, I am not solely doing my job for the money. I like helping students. I have been an educator my entire life. The fact that I also get paid to students is because I need to earn an income. How is this different than you pay for your private school tuition. The school takes the money and they care about educating children, and at the same time, the parents are the one footing the bill? How is it different than a lawyer who is paid? Is the lawyer just doing it for the money or because they want to help a person? </p>
<p>In any case, as a college counselor, I see myself supporting the CHILD’s interests. As with any educator, I must also work with the parents. I can advise a student and his/her parents but the final decision rest with the family.</p>
<p>I also volunteer a lot on CC advising students and parents, and in emails, because I like to help others. No money is involved.</p>
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<p>Of course! I never thought or implied otherwise. I did point out in response to your post about not availing yourselves to the college counseling at your elite prep school, that recruited athletes tend not to work with college counselors as they don’t need to as it is a different type of admissions process. Then, you pointed out that women athletes at elite universities need high GPAs and 6 APs. It was then that I responded that I have familiarity with women athletes at elite universities as my D was one. Your point about GPAs or APs pertains to women athletes…not the differences between recruited and non-recruited ones. But your point about APs is false. How many AP classes a student has taken is only viewed within the context of their own high school and what is offered there. My points had nothing to do with recruited vs. non-recruited athletes. For the record, my D did not go through the recruitment process. She did speak with the coach of the college she eventually attended, before attending. When she got there, she was able to be on the team. Picking colleges around sports was not her top priority, but due to her passion, she wanted the opportunity to continue in college. It was a secondary consideration, and as long as she could continue, she was willing to do it on a club level even, though landed at a school that had a Div. I Varsity team and she loved it.</p>
<p>sevmom, she’s not a rower. but what does title 9 have to do with anything, unless you think women are unfairly getting into college over what, male athletes. women being recruited in sports are the best in the nation and beating out all other women athletes.</p>
<p>don’t really understand your point, unless you think women shouldn’t be treated similar to male athletes, not an argument i see very often from a user with mom in her name</p>
<p>there are about 500 HS senior women last year in my daughters sport worth mentioning, maybe 30 were in the league of very good, a dozen got recruited, 1 got recruited to the three best schools in that sport.</p>
<p>title 9 has given women opportunity, but it doesn’t change the fact that only the best are recruited and it’s highly competitive. Interesting note: there’s more injuries with women athletes because they tend to be more competitive, tougher, than men…no surprise to you women out there</p>
<p>and she didn’t need the 6 AP’s for an Ivy:)</p>
<p>pacheight, believe it or not, at our crummy rural public school, the musicals were directed by someone who had been on Broadway and on TV. My D’s private voice teacher here in VT has taught singers who have performed at The Met, NYC Opera and on Broadway and have won Emmy and Tony awards. Our little 'ole no name HS has won a well known national distinction for its music program.</p>
<p>^^wow, that’s great i guess vt is not as rural as i thought. those resources you just cited are not available in rural ca, nv, or etc…</p>
<p>in fact your school sounds a bit more elitist than you originally let on:)</p>
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<p>I went on to say that women athletes do NOT need 6 APs to get into Ivies. I know this to be fact due to my work in college admissions. Besides, my OWN daughter attended an Ivy and played varsity sports and did not have six AP classes as our school did not offer them. </p>
<p>THEN, you come back with (in reference to your D):</p>
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<p>This is funny! For one thing, my D’s voice teacher is PRIVATE and located 50 miles from our home. My kids were in many ECs outside our school system.</p>
<p>As far as the director for the musicals at school, he is a person in our community, who moved to VT for the lifestyle and to raise his daughter here, but had been on Broadway and on TV. He is not on the faculty but was contracted to direct the musicals. He also has a professional theater company in our community and cast my D in his show there too. We have many accomplished people in our community who have chosen to live here. </p>
<p>Our school is the most opposite of elite as you could find and I am positive that you, or many others on here, would never send your kids. Only 66% go onto college. The year my kid went to an Ivy, she was the only student at her school that year to do so. </p>
<p>And remember, you said you would never have your kids walking the halls with rural kids because many are on meth according to you.</p>
<p>In any case, our school’s atmosphere is about the extreme opposite from elite. The point is, kids can grow up and flourish even in no-name rural public schools and communities. </p>
<p>One of my D’s friends she did theater with growing up in this region of VT (went to a different rural public HS), but also trained in voice lessons with my D and then they both went to Tisch together and roomed together, is now starring on Broadway.</p>
<p>One of the girls my kids went to HS with and did shows with at school is now very accomplished on the music scene nationally and recently had a song she wrote featured in a big hit movie.</p>
<p>Also, what do you mean that VT is not as rural as you thought? The things I mentioned above have nothing to do with the definition of rural!! Rural has to do with population density and distance from urban areas, etc. </p>
<p>pacheight,sorry if I thought you were connected to crew. My apologies. I’m a mom of boys but am certainly not against female athletes. My only point is that because of Title !X, there are non revenue sports that girls have varsity access to in college that boys do not,regardless of talent. When there are 300+ women’s D1 volleyball programs,for instance, that need to fill their programs but only 22 mens’s in the whole country, that is a pretty big gap. But let’s all keep on track and not go down another new tangent.</p>
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<p>Our area has 5 HS that are in top 100 but have a matriculation rate of less than 10% to top schools. I’m not sure what do you mean by “elite public”.</p>
<p>pacheight, I must admit to being baffled by your put down of college counselors because right here on CC, back when your D was an applicant, you wrote that you hired someone to advise her on the application essays (granted it cost less than a entire college counseling package…but many of us college counselors offer an essay package only).</p>
<p>POIH, I don’t know what an “elite public” high school is…but when I just told my husband that pacheight referred to OUR high school as more elitist than I let on…he was in hysterical laughter!!! It is far from “elite”. He did go on to say that our kids attended the best private pre-school in town (which is true)!! :D</p>
<p>oh, sorry she doesn’t go to an Ivy. </p>
<p>but she still needed 6AP’s (had to take 2AP classes her senior year, along with 3 honors)</p>
<p>Columbia was her safety school. Harvard and a dozen other top 30 schools she passed on as well.</p>
<p>and here’s something for your counseling biz (because i do wish you well) my daughter chose her school based on love. she chose it based on her relationship with a few athletes from around the country who she’s known and were also being recruited. and her feelings for the coach. She based it only on those relationships and feelings. on the coach and teammates she loved.</p>
<p>Bet you don’t advise kids, even athletes, to base their college decisions on that basis:)</p>
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<p>POIH - Not everyone WANTS to go to a “top” (ivy, psuedo ivy) school, and secondly - not everyone can afford it. </p>
<p>My DH is a grad of both George Wash and Duke (not ivies -but definitely in the top of the 2nd bucket), but did not in ANY way encourage our sons to “reach for the ivies.” He would have been okay with MIT, but realized early on that MIT was not a good fit for our older son, altho - based on the other acceptances he got - he probably would have gotten in.</p>
<p>Our sons’ high school is in one of the top districts in TX, but the majority of our top students go to UT, Rice, and A&M. Yes, we have students going to the ivies, but it is not the “dream” of the majority of our top students. </p>
<p>Last year, with my older son’s graduation class, he had friends accepted to Harvard and Yale - who CHOSE to go to UT, UPitt, and others. They applied to the ivies mainly to see IF they could get it. They had no intention of going - it was a game. Now, I don’t agree with that philosophy, but the whole college admissions process is a huge game, so why not have some fun with it? As the saying goes - always nice to have been invited to the party and refused the invitation, than to never been invited at all!</p>
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<p>shorthand for a public school that performs (tests, gpa, ap’s, matriculation to top colleges, etc) similar or often better the 1st and 2nd tier preps. For instance my daughters public high school smokes the stats at Choate and comes close to a St. Paul.</p>
<p>just shorthand, call that kind of public whatever you’d like…</p>
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<p>And what, exactly, makes you think that?</p>
<p>^^1st the coaches tell athletes don’t choose your college on the coach because college coaches get fired or leave for better opportunities. this is pretty standard advice across all junior sports. And I do believe people in soozs biz who work with athletes preach this as well.</p>
<p>2nd the coaches and parents and everyone tell the athletes to choose a school you’d like to go to and that fits your non athletic academic interests. Because you may stop competing, bun out, get cut or get injured.</p>
<p>this probably is good advice for 99% of the athletes.</p>
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<p>I’m really curious to know such a california public high school. Can you put the link to school home page?</p>
<p>I just looked at the 3 high schools in Palos Verdes area and the best you can describe them as equivalent to a catholic private school. These schools have matriculation to 4 years colleges as 78%.</p>
<p>This was the best of the 3 HS.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/report/schooldata0910.pdf[/url]”>http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/report/schooldata0910.pdf</a></p>
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<p>pacheight, you bet wrong. You know very little about me and to even suggest that, just demonstrates it. My own children were/are not into the prestige factor but rather finding schools that met their college selection criteria. My D came close to selecting Tufts and Smith over Penn, for example. She narrowed down her acceptances to revisit her faves and threw her acceptance to Penn as a Ben Franklin Scholar (top 100) off her list. Last year, one of my advisees got into Stanford and Brown and chose NYU over those. It fit what she wanted better. I am EXTREMELY into picking colleges based on personal selection criteria and fit, much much more than rankings or prestige. My own children were unfamiliar with college rankings. Nobody in my area discusses these and they had never seen them.</p>
<p>My kids chose their colleges based on “love” as well and these schools ended up being a perfect match when all was said and done and they graduated.</p>