Daesh’s expressed aim is to drive a wedge between normal, non-terrorist Muslims and the west of the Western world. They want non-Muslims to drive Muslims into their waiting arms. They do care if we demonize all Muslims; they want that to happen, and we know it because they say so.
So. When people kill random other people in the name of Islam, that’s Islamic terrorism, just like when people kill other people in the name of Jesus that’s Christian terrorism. But we can’t be stupid, and target Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism. If we do, we’re doing Daesh’s bidding.
However, I believe that all of the kind, law-abiding Muslims would feel pretty lousy having their president toss that around with the lack of respect that so many of their neighbors do. Just like I wouldn’t like hearing “Christian terrorist” or “radical Christian” tossed around as if it refers to all Christians. So maybe “they” don’t care what we think or say, but the rest of “they” have feelings.
Personally, dead is dead. I don’t see what difference it makes if it is done by ISIS or other radical Islamists or anti abortionists or racists or someone who is mentally ill.
If we can’t even get a bill passed which bans people on the watch list from buying guns, we are never going to be able to stop anything.
Was that actually a serious response to me, @busdriver11? 'Cause if so, that involved a stunning misreading on your part. (Or at least the ability to willfully strawman anything you don’t like. Either way, I suppose.)
This reminds me of a joke I saw on Twitter:
Politicians: Muslims everywhere should condemn ISIS in order to stop them Muslim picks up phone: Hey ISIS habibi* can you please stop killing people
ISIS: Ok habibi
*Habibi means"my dear" in Arabic.
And you know this how? Sounds to me like the guy has serious anger management issues, if not more.
“Was that actually a serious response to me, @busdriver11? 'Cause if so, that involved a stunning misreading on your part. (Or at least the ability to willfully strawman anything you don’t like. Either way, I suppose.)”
Yes that was a serious, albeit unnecessarily sarcastic response on my part. I think it is obvious whom people are talking about. Those that would kill as many innocent victims as they could, in the name of Islam. What did I misread? Is it really that important to specify which of the many groups?
I too wish at least one of them were caught alive so that we could get information. However, there seems to be so much more alarm about a muslim terrorist than the garden variety american terrorist. Some folks, not all , seem to think the Charleston 9 , or the community college shootings, or the theater shootings were not the same and I beg to differ. Statistically, I have a greater chance of my Black son being killed by law enforcment, me getting shot at a movie theater, or someone shooting up high school or college that my daughters attend. It seems, not necessarily here, but in general that folks engage when perpertrators are muslim, but not so much for others.
I cant stand the hypocrisy, when the pro NRA folk instantly say, “well if they had a gun, maybe this wouldnt have happened”, yet when the PP clinic was attacked, not a peep.
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People who are pretending that we would not be threatened by terrorists if we could just change the gun laws are deluding themselves.
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That’s a strawman, bus. Nobody is pretending that stricter gun control will stop all threats of terrorism — everyone remembers 9-11 and the Boston Marathon — but some of us would at least like to slow the terrorists down by making it a lot harder for them to amass their arsenals.
I’m listening to these pundits on CNN still trying to make the case that this was a workplace conflict issue and not terrorism. One black pundit said it’s possible this guy built the pipe bombs at home over a long period of time in response to being victim of racial discrimination.
I’m wondering why it’s taken so many days for a photo of the wife to be revealed. She entered on a fiance visa. Applying for the visa requires “Two (2) 2x2 photographs”.
I bet that it took ABC just a few minutes to “vet” that the address did not exist… Stuff like this makes me mad, and it definitely does not help with the refugee situation.
ETA 2: Oh awesome. He’s believed for the last year that he was being mind controlled and yet he was able to purchase a gun this past September. Nope nothing wrong with this picture.
I’m afraid of people like him. I’m not afraid of Daesh. Gun control could go a long way in curbing the former. It was a crowded area and it’s lucky that no one else was caught in the cross fire.
I shouldn’t have to be afraid of gun violence like that and I sure as hell shouldn’t have to carry my own gun because the NRA has a delusional idea that more guns is the answer. (oh except I couldn’t buy a gun anyway under any system that aims to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.)
From NBC Nightly News: Americans represent 5% of the world’s population and own 40% of the world’s guns. Sobering.
If we don’t kill each other first, I guess we’ll stand a better chance of surviving a zombie invasion. Other then that, why the heck do we need so many guns??
Support for ISIS in America has reached an unprecedented level with several thousand U.S.-based sympathizers and more terrorism-related arrests in 2015 than any year since 9/11, according to a report by George Washington University’s Program on Extremism.
The report noted that the average ISIS recruit is male and around 26 years old. It identified at least 300 Americans who actively support ISIS on social media and spread propaganda on the terror group’s behalf, with Twitter being the preferred platform. In addition to those supporters, the FBI has previously said that they also have 900 open investigations into homegrown violent extremists, a majority being ISIS related.
Is expressing support for ISIS on social media against the law? Because if it ain’t, and those homegrown violent extremists haven’t been convicted of any crimes, there’s nothing to prevent them from buying all the guns and ammo they want. That’s really worrying.
Americans are very afraid. I don’t know why we have so many guns. I don’t know if it is our violent history or money, or our parents were xxx, or a way to control the population, or paranoia.
We spend $600 billion on defense, yet we still have these attacks. Maybe we should spend $400 billion on defense and $200 billion more on making people’s lives better.
After WW1, Germany was crushed. We ended up with the Nazis. After W2, the Marshall Plan was enacted and the world ended up with a much better result. The world should be building… Not destroying.
The way the Middle East is constructed is nonsensical. The countries don’t make sense. The Middle East is tribal and we have all these fake countries and phony leaders.
The sooner the world moves to alternative energy, the safer the world is going to be. A lot of money is spent protecting oil interests.
Exactly! The home grown, ISIS inspired small operations don’t need a network of smugglers to buy guns or anyone to teach them how to build bombs. These people had bombs but none of them actually worked as planned. It didn’t stop them from killing plenty of people. They can legally buy all the arms they need.