This argument was , IIRC, debunked in another thread (the Oregon thread). Repeating wrong info doesn’t make it so. FBI stats show guns are by far used more for killing than self defense.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/
Ant the constant insulting and condescending comments to other posters who are accused of misunderstanding posts or points is beyond tiresome.
Have not the mass shooters and terrorists essentially done that already? Why stand around and give them free reign?
Terrible analogy, aw. No, this country is not filled with people wearing holsters and having duels in the street. Terrorists are quite different than the old wild west days. Maybe you might want to catch up on a few old movies or tv shows for a little review. Let us us know if you see any religious extremists or terrorists coming in with assault rifles and bombs to take out innocent folks.
Awc, hauling out the discredited Kleck study yet again doesn’t make it true this time. It’s just as bogus as it was the last few times you dragged it into a thread. No, it’s not true that a million crimes are prevented every year by good guys with guns.
We understand your posts fine. We still think you’re wrong, and we still don’t believe Kleck.
There still are people out there who will sacrifice to save others:
"Denise Peraza, who was shot in the back and is recovering in a hospital, said her heroic co-worker shielded her with his own body when the shooting started, telling her “I got you,” according to WXIA-TV in Georgia.
“Wednesday morning at 10:55 a.m. we were seated next to each other at a table, joking about how we thought the large clock on the wall might be broken because time seemed to be moving so slowly,” she wrote in a tribute to Johnson the station obtained Friday from Peraza’s sister.
“I would have never guessed that only 5 minutes later, we would be huddled next to each other under that same table, using a fallen chair as a shield from over 60 rounds of bullets being fired across the room.
“While I cannot recall every single second that played out that morning, I will always remember his left arm wrapped around me, holding me as close as possible next to him behind that chair.
“And amidst all the chaos, I’ll always remember him saying these three words, ‘I got you."
The father of Farook knew:
Has any other , more reputable/credible news source than the Daily Mail reported this? From what little I read about the dad, he was reported to be an abusive alcoholic who the mom divorced when the kids were young. Just wondering if the dad really had any contact with his son, not to mention really discussing this stuff.
In Wisconsin, a man holding a gun and fleeing the site of a hostage taking was killed by police, who thought he was the suspect. He was not.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/man-killed-by-police-in-neenah-hostage-standoff-was-shop-co-owner-lawyer-says-b99629225z1-360721161.html
@jym626 Do you think the father made this up or the Daily Mail made it up?
The father seems to be coloring the story of why he and his wife split. According to the LA TImes piece he has been abusive and his younger son ended up being the one who often came to his mother’s aid. I guess if that means you are a “momma’s boy” then everyone is right. This guy has his own axe to grind, though, as a patriarch whose family left him. The whole dynamic could certainly play into the mom not asking a lot of questions, though, if she was somewhat beholden to the son after years of domestic abuse. I am not, in any way, excusing and of it just to be clear.
I have no idea, tatinG. The Daily Mail is a rag sheet, not known for reputable journalism. The dad could be “selling” his story. Who knows.
None of the men knew the wife as she wore full coverage and veil in mixed company and the sister said that they separated men and women when she and her husband would go over once a month or so. The BIL said that he had never actually seen her.
So where /when was the photo taken that is posted here? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?_r=0
My understanding is that photo is the one from her fiance visa.
Knew what?
Knew he was going to amass an arsenal and shoot up an employee party with an assault weapon?
Or knew that he spoke out against Israel and expressed support for ISIS…
Should he have reported that his American citizen son (born in Chicago) said something against Israel and in support of ISIS? Is that illegal now?
If the father knew his son had bombs and intended to use them…he should be vilified. If he knew his son had opinions, that’s different.
Don’t just say “he knew.” It’s meaningless.
Now there is report that a neighbor and childhood friend may have supplied the assault weapons http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/fbi-searches-home-farook-friend-who-bought-guns-n474911
Unless he knew a massacre was planned, he simply bought guns for a friend who just wanted assault weapons for his very own. Perfectly legal.
Is it legal in Calif? They have tighter regulations.
I guess USA Today “is a rag sheet” as well then. So best not post anything from that paper either, I guess. Shoot the messenger in in full swing.
Anyway, the Dad has way out ideas, as well. Interesting he actually believes this.
Ugh. According to Huff Post, the long guns/assault rifles were purchased thorough a loophole in the CA law
But,
they then tampered with the guns to try to make them work like an automatic weapon