<p>which is better for undergraduate business?</p>
<p>Santa Clara ranks #2 on USNW’s Masters University list (West).
Univ of San Diego ranks #104 on USNW’s National Universities list.</p>
<p>Santa Clara ranks 57 on USNW’s undergraduate business school list and Univ of San Diego ranks 87 on the same list.</p>
<p>Both schools have beautiful campuses (Santa Clara for preference) and are located in great places (Univ of San Diego for preference).</p>
<p>The tuition costs are slightly higher at Santa Clara ($32,000 to $27,000 per year). Both are religious schools.</p>
<p>Job prospects are probably better from Santa Clara since they are right in the middle of the Silicon Valley. Housing will be more expensive off-campus at Santa Clara, but I think on-campus they are comparable.</p>
<p>And, on a personal note, I had someone from Santa Clara intern for me four years ago and he was great. Very knowledgeable, got along well with everyone, very ambitious, hard-working, etc. He had five great job offers when he graduated.</p>
<p>So I’d choose Santa Clara unless the difference in tuition and housing is a deal-breaker–then I’d choose University of San Diego.</p>
<p>do you know if you can get into jobs like ibanking or consulting coming from santa clara or usd? how hard would it be? </p>
<p>is santa clara at an advantage becase almost all ibanks have offices in sillicon valley? and you can intern/part time there?</p>
<p>Well, the center of the universe for ibanking is still New York, but there are a lot of venture capital firms in Palo Alto. It’s not the same as ibanking exactly, and they tend to focus on hiring Stanford and UC Berkeley MBAs. Santa Clara is great for both the accounting and management consulting jobs, not ibanking–but with good grades and some connections, I suppose its possible to go into ibanking–just difficult. </p>
<p>Management consulting is easy, however, but it will take about 3-5 years out from the BS graduation date for most people. If you are top of your class, you might be able to shorten this to 1-2 years.</p>
<p>what does 3 to 4 years from the graduation date out mean? thats when most people get jobs?</p>
<p>Are you talking about top mc firms like MCK and Bain or smaler tech consulting firms?</p>
<p>i know that new york is ideal but im not sure if i can get into nyu or another new york school. and id rather have the weather and girls out in cali…</p>
<p>Santa clara seems to have the location advantage, second to stanford as far as proximity to financial firms. most if not all bb ibanks have offices in menlo park? do they mostly only do vc out of those offices?</p>
<p>No, what I mean is that normally most firms don’t move you right into the consulting area right out of school. You usually work either as an accountant, a financial analyst, an operations expert, or a junior consultant first–then you move into the mainstream consulting assignments–where you either are the lead consultant or one of a group of senior consulting experts reporting to the engagement manager and/or project manager. </p>
<p>From there you can move to one of a number of jobs–being the engagement manager, the project manager, starting your own consulting firm, doing direct consulting as an employee at a large corporate firm, or doing the recruiting and training of other consultants.</p>
<p>P.S. Most consulting positions require a lot of travel–even if you’re in a major business area like NY or the Silicon Valley–it’s just the nature of the job. And I’m talking about major consulting firms like McKinsey, Bain, Cap Gemini, Bearing Point, Deloitte Consulting, PWC Consulting, etc. Most of the smaller tech firms like Taos consulting, M-Squared, Horn Murdock Cole, and Jefferson Wells (which is actually owned by the giant firm, Manpower) specialize in one area or another solely–Taos focuses on IT or IT audits, M-Squared and HMC on accounting/finance (though M-Squared also handles some M&A work), and Jefferson Wells on financial/ SOX/governmental compliance issues.</p>
<p>Speaking of M&A, if you’re interested in doing mergers and acquisitions, PWC Consulting is probably the expert–having done 7 of the largest 12 in the last 8 years or so–including having provided consulting on the Seagate acquisition of Maxtor just completed in the past week.</p>
<p>Check and see which cirriculum you are more comfortable with. The U of San Diego core includes 9 or 12 semester hours of Religion and Philosophy requirements.</p>
<p>thanks. do those companies come to santa clara to recruit? i know santa clara isnt a “target school” but do ibanks, big 4 and consulting firms come and recruit?</p>
<p>I don’t know if they go on campus to recruit or not–but I do know that, with the exception of M-Squared, every firm I mentioned (and all of the Big 4 accounting firms) have an office within 10 miles of Santa Clara Univ. M-Squared’s office is in downtown San Francisco.</p>
<p>One of the advantages of being in the heart of the Silicon Valley, I guess.</p>
<p>yea but do they actually consider santa clara grads for internships and jobs or do they look down on them compared to standford, berkley ect.?</p>
<p>I guess you don’t realize that there tends to be a shortage of good talent in the valley–at least right now. Let me give you a few numbers: there are about 10,000-12,000 companies in the Silicon Valley. Of that number, around 1,000 have sales of over $100 million/year–and about 300 have sales of over a billion dollars a year–meaning they employ about 1,000 employees or more at each one of them. Also keep in mind this doesn’t include Sacramento, or Marin County-or the Stockton/Merced/Modesto area. </p>
<p>Feeding this area’s need for top managers are the following local schools:</p>
<p>UC Berkeley–graduating about 5,000 graduates a year–400 from the business school
Stanford–graduating about 1,000 graduates a year–about 80 from the graduate business school (they have no undergraduate business program)
Santa Clara–graduating about 3,000 per year–450 from the business program
San Jose State–graduating about 6,000 per year–500 from the business school
UC-Davis–graduating about 6,000 per year–no undergrad business school–only 100 or so in the grad program
and UC-Santa Cruz–graduating about 2,000 students–about 200 from the business school–which really only allows a major in IT–not in anything else.</p>
<p>Now about 1/5 of these people will take jobs in LA (since many come from the LA area to go to school and the market there is even larger)–so that leaves about 19,000 students applying for jobs at 11,000 or so companies–not even an average of 2 per company. And if you consider business students, this means there are fewer than 1,500 students competing for jobs. So even if they all went to the top 300 firms, that means there would be 5 students per firm (and these firms are growing and hiring about 20-30 new business majors a year)–so trust me–if you do well in school, you will have an offer before you graduate.</p>
<p>Things were so tight in 1999 (during the dot-com boom) that almost everyone was getting $5,000-$10,000 bonuses just for signing on (I got one myself). Nowadays the market is much tighter and lots of jobs are going overseas, but most companies still bring contractors in from all over the place to cover the work that has to get done. In my sub-department alone, we have 3 contractors and one intern–and one of the contractors flies in from San Antonio, Texas every week. Another one lives 70 miles away and spends the week at a local hotel. Despite being an extremely high-ranked company located in a redwood forest ten miles from the beach, we have a real problem getting good people to relocate here because of the housing cost.</p>
<p>This is a little off subject, but when I worked at Boeing in Washington in 2004, we had 70 people on staff, 20 of whom flew in to work from places such as Michigan, Texas, California, and even one from Florida (can you imagine flying from Florida to Washington to work every week–crazy!). Just shows how there is a bit of a shortage in the consulting area.</p>
<p>Anyway, the answer is no–they don’t look down on Santa Clara graduates–at least not that I’ve seen.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, how do companies look at San Jose State graduates?</p>
<p>The engineering programs, especially aeronautical engineering, are top-notch. Some of the other disciplines leave a bit to be desired. The business program is not bad–though obviously not up to UC Berkeley and Stanford’s level. </p>
<p>Note: Stanford is ranked in the top 3 graduate business programs in the country (#1 on some lists) and UC Berkeley ranks in the top 15 business programs at the graduate level-and they tie with Michigan for the #3 undergraduate ranking per USNW. (though Business Week only ranked them #12)</p>
<p>thanks for the great reply. i assume that when you say consulting you are typically talking about tech consulting?</p>
<p>so for finance, is santa clara well respected? are there finance jobs for new grads in menlo park area?</p>
<p>Actually, I was talking about both finance and tech consulting. The Big 4 has groups covering both areas–and Cap Gemini, Bain, etc. are more finance/strategy oriented.</p>
<p>and yes, Santa Clara is well respected in the finance area.</p>
<p>Why Menlo Park? Is it too far to travel to Redwood Shores?–ha, ha.</p>
<p>Most of these firms have offices in both San Jose/Santa Clara and in San Francisco. You would work out of one of the two offices on jobs all up and down the peninsula–as well as in the east bay.</p>