http://admissions.umich.edu/apply/freshmen-applicants/student-profile
Shows New SAT 75% for entering class of 2020 as 1580 (780 RW/800 M). This would be a significant increase from last year, and comparable to HYPSM.
Does this seem correct? Am I misinterpreting this somehow?
These are statistics for the admitted class, not the enrolling class. However, Michigan increases its overall admissions statistics yearly, so this year will be a large jump from last year’s, regardless.
I don’t think that Michigan’s ACT/SAT ranges are going to be comparable to those are HYPSM. They are identical to those at Cal, Cornell and Georgetown, and they are close to those at Brown and Penn.
The entering class of 2016 would not have been able to take the new SAT as the first sitting was in March of 2016, past the application deadline. I imagine that the new SAT figures were derived from the CB concordance tables. For next year’s class profile, UM will be able to provide data based on actual test scores from the new SAT format.
At least, that’s my best guess. I’m hardly a statistician.
@mamaedefamilia I think you are right. They would have to use the CB conversion tool to calculate new SAT score from old score. If you put in the average old SAT section scores from previous year, you will get ~1500 in the new SAT score.
@guitar321 why do you think this is the admitted class, rather than the enrolled class? Just because the stats are higher than previous years’ entering classes?
The top section refers to “2016 Entering class”, uses the term “enrolled”, and is updated as of June 2016. The bottom section refers to 2015-2016 however. I think you are right, it is just frustrating.
I am trying to compile information about top-25-ish schools and unfortunately Michigan does not seem to provide enrolled student profile data. They also combine the CR and W scores rather than break them out which is not helpful. I’ve mostly been using http://ivyleagueprep.com/ but Michigan is not listed.
@ormdad --have you looked at the Common Data set? Of course, this is only updated each fall, and the most current one on Michigan’s website is last fall’s. Here is the link; see section C9.
http://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/cds_2015-2016_umaa.pdf
These figures are for the enrolled students. I believe some schools call it a sixth week report, but I don’t know if six weeks in is a universal measurement period. (I think this is to allow for the very early dropouts, but I may be wrong on that point also.)
You will see that some Michigan students submitted both SAT & ACT scores, as the total exceeds 100%.
@CT1417 thanks, I didn’t realize they come out in the fall, I’ll probably just wait in that case Many schools have their enrolled data up online. I spot-checked the IvyLeagePrep data and it doesn’t always match up either.
@ormdad – each year we hear about at least one school that did not accurately report info on the CDS, but more often than not, they are supposed to be accurate. They will not capture Jan enrollment or those deferred to sophomore year, but they should reflect everyone on campus six weeks into the school year.
Just curious: what are you doing with the data?
And the reports are supposed to come out in the fall…
I actually find it interesting to compare a school’s promotional flyer that will show stats of accepted students and then compare to stats of enrolled students. The higher the yield, the less variation. But it is useful to know the accepted student data since that is the pool the applicant is hoping to join.
@CT1417 I’m more than familiar with the “tricks of the trade” employed by some schools including spring admits and not reporting international students. I think the lack of transparency really calls into question the validity of the reported numbers.
As for what I’m doing, someone asked me what schools Tufts should be “ahead of” assuming it’s ranked too low. I couldn’t answer, so I’m taking a look at some of the publicly available quantitative data (including yield, which is not generally used in rankings). I don’t really care that much about the rankings as a way to choose a college, but I think it’s an interesting exercise.
It is a good point about yield and “admitted” stats. Basically a school pushing the admitted stats as a measure of what it takes to get in is really doing a disservice to it’s applicants if the yield is in the 20-30% range. Not sure why admitted stats are trumpeted as much as they are.
@CT1417 I would guess that what they’re doing with the data is probably very useful, actually. Many prospective applicants use it to compare themselves to the previous admitted class to see if it’s worth it to apply to a certain school.
College board shows different numbers for uMich: 1290-1500 (vs 1440-1570 that link shows)
@guitar321 the point I was trying to make is that, if the applicant base skews high-stats, the 25% and 75% of admitted students doesn’t actually reflect “what it takes” to get admitted.
I’m not here to pick on Michigan (I’m just trying to figure out what they are reporting), but I think it’s a good example, since it is probably considered by many high stats students as a safety for the Ivies. In a gross generality, certain applicant groups (white girls from New England, Asians from everywhere) need to find match schools where they are above the 75%, or at very least above the average of the 25%/75%. This rule would put Michigan in the high reach bucket for these applicants, who may decide not to apply, even though their ~750 scores would actually put them in the top 25%.
Tufts, on the other hand, is notorious for denying high stats students so the admitted profile is probably more accurate, and therefore reflective of “what it takes” stats wise.
@ClarinetDad16 College Board probably has data from last years CDS, right? I’m looking for the data that will go into this year’s CDS, which many schools put up as the “Enrolled” student profile at the start of the semester.
And with uMich it’s almost two different applicant pools (or three). The in-state kids have a relatively high admittance rate, OOS much lower and not sure if they publish the international numbers.
The Student Profile on the U-M official website clearly lists it as “2016 Entering Class Test Scores”, so I presume it is for the “enrolled” rather than the “admitted” class.
Mid-50% ranges:
(2016 entering class) SAT: 2050-2330 and ACT: 30-34
That was a significant increase from last year:
(2015 entering class) SAT: 1930-2230 and ACT: 29-33
Michigan’s 2016 Entering Class stats put it on par with the likes of Duke, Johns Hopkins, Brown, and Cornell. We are already ahead of Berkeley and UCLA.
However, the acceptance rate was up from 26.2% to 28.6%.
Those are the stats for the 6600 enrolled students…not admitted students. UMs enrolled class is the highest scoring yet.
Face it, it is getting much harder to get into Michigan.
2016 Entering Class Test Scores
Average GPA: 3.87
ACT 30-34
mid 50th % range
English: 31-35
Math: 28-34
Science: 28-34
Eng/Writing: 24-29
Reading: 30-34
SAT (old scale) 2050-2330
mid 50th % range
Writing/Critical Reading: 1350-1530
Math: 700-800
SAT (new scale) 1440-1570
mid 50th % range
@HRSMom did you just cut and paste data from the URL that I provided in my original post? That’s not really adding additional information to this discussion.
I think I’ll just wait for the 2016-17 CDS to be sure.
I did notice something strange in the 2015-2016 CDS: only 27% of enrolled students submitted SAT scores. There seems to be a downward trend over the last 5 years from around 35% to 27% in 2015. This is not the case at the schools that @GoBlue91 mentions- generally the opposite: low ACT reports and high SAT, around 60-80%
Assuming the ACT/SAT reporting trend continues, I think it’s more than a little misleading for Michigan to trumpet SAT scores that only represent 27% of the enrolled students. And most likely the highest scoring ones, at that.
@ormdad The downward trend in SAT is not just for UMich. The total number of students taking ACT surpassed SAT the first time a few years ago. That is one of the reason caused SAT to change their format. The percentage of students submitting ACT or SAT to UMich would fluctuate in the last couple years. First, the change in SAT format last year may lead to more students prepared for ACT to avoid the transition. Second, Michigan just switched from ACT to SAT in the MME last year so all in state students would have SAT score from this year on.