SAT Score Stays with You for Life

<p>I am currently in the process of going back into the field of finance. I used to be an investment banker at a bulge bracket firm and took some time off to play. </p>

<p>Interviewing at hedge funds, middle market IBs, LBO, private equity, VC firms, they all ask me my SAT score. Finance professionals consider this to be a very accurate reflection of your level of talent and abilities. They still ask for this even though I took the SAT a while back.</p>

<p>So remember, the SAT score stays with you for life. Especially in finance and other similarly highly competitive high paying fields. So don't forget to study hard for your SATs! =)</p>

<p>Oh yeah and remember that its perfectly fine to put your highest Verbal and highest Math scores on your resume instead of highest one sitting score. </p>


<p>I actually didn't even think about that. Thanks for posting!</p>

<p>This is not true.</p>

<p>It is true actually. There have been several articles about it. While its not exactly prevalent, more and more employers are asking potential employees about their SAT scores.</p>

<p>Employers Might Ask </p>

<p>For Your SAT Scores </p>

<p>By Kemba J. Dunham </p>

<p>From The Wall Street Journal Online </p>

<p>Donna Chan is 23 years old and has been out of college since May 2002, when she graduated from Wagner College on New York's Staten Island. So should anyone care how she did way back in high school on her SATs? </p>

<p>Apparently some people do. Since Ms. Chan started looking for an entry-level job in financial services more than a year ago, she has repeatedly stumbled over a common requirement for many of these positions: a combined SAT score of at least 1300 out of a maximum 1600. Ms. Chan's combined score on the math and verbal tests fell "somewhere in the 1200s," even though she earned a 3.9 grade-point average in college while getting a degree in computer science with a minor in math. </p>

<p>"I think it's asking a bit much," gripes Ms. Chan, who is currently working as a part-time paralegal on Staten Island. "That's something high school kids have to worry about. After four years of working hard, I think you've paid your dues, and unless you're applying to Princeton Review or some math-related, analytical job, I don't see the relevance." </p>

<p>The SATs, usually taken by high-school juniors and seniors and once used solely as a criterion for college admission, are now following many people through college and into the workplace as a defining performance measure. A certain cadre of companies that hire large numbers of fresh college graduates have long asked about SAT scores, but many other large employers took up the habit in recent years because of the dismal job market. With thousands of resumes flooding in for even a single open position these days, employers see the scores as one more way to differentiate among applicants. </p>

<p>And most employers who ask about the SAT say they want someone whose scores are well above the national average. According to the New York-based College Board, the association that administers the SAT, the 1.4 million SAT takers in the class of 2003 earned average scores of 519 on the math portion of the test and 507 on the verbal section, for a total of 1026. The math average is the highest in more than 35 years, meaning that those who are applying for jobs right now on average scored lower. </p>

<p>A number of ads placed by recruiters and staffing firms set clear SAT goals. Consider this recent ad on for an entry-level, investment-banking position: "Minimum expectations include an overall score of 1350 on the SATs....You will be required to provide official scores and transcripts, so please do not respond if you do not meet the aforementioned requirements." </p>

<p>Alan Sage, a vice president at Configuresoft Inc., a Woodland Park, Colo., systems-management software company, says he routinely asks applicants to submit their SAT scores when they apply for sales jobs. He says he picked up the practice from a former employer of his who wanted applicants to have no less than a combined SAT score of 1400. </p>

<p>Mr. Sage sets his bar somewhat lower, at 1200, but says he nonetheless sees the test as a good indicator of future success. "In my experience, people with high SAT scores tend to do better," he says, adding that his mother recently reminded him that he scored somewhere in the 1200s. "We wouldn't exclude someone from an interview if he or she didn't score high," he adds. </p>

<p>While Mr. Sage says he has always asked to see SAT scores, he admits that he was far more flexible when Configuresoft was first launched in the boom days of 1999. With his sales team experiencing lots of turnover, he says, he had to "beg marginal people" to come work for the company. </p>

<p>Mr. Sage says he also places the SAT requirement in ads to see whether applicants are paying attention to details. When he placed an ad for an account-manager position on an online job board earlier this month, he received hundreds of resumes. But fewer than 10% of respondents bothered to include their scores. Those who did, he adds, scored at least a 1200. </p>

<p>Some are critical of the trend. Seppy Basili, vice president of Kaplan Inc., a test-preparation company, says that over the past six months he has been hearing anecdotally that more companies are asking applicants to submit SAT scores. He feels that in general, SAT scores in these cases are being used for the wrong reasons. </p>

<p>"It's such a maligned instrument," says Mr. Basili. "It's not designed to measure job performance, and the kind of person who performs well on the SATs is not necessarily the kind of person who will perform well sitting at their desks." </p>

<p>Morgan Denny, a partner in a New York search firm specializing in financial services, says he has several clients who only want to see candidates who reached a certain SAT threshold, even if they have been out of high school for 10 years. Because he realizes that some people are bad test takers, he continues to show clients candidates who don't meet the criteria but have other qualifications, he says. </p>

<p>"The SAT is an annoyance for us and an annoyance for our candidates; we believe there should be a balance," Mr. Denny says. He adds that he'll often collect comments and information from candidates who don't meet the SAT criteria so that his clients will consider the candidate and reconsider their SAT threshold. </p>

<p>Some employers say they have no interest in seeing the SAT scores of applicants. The Jewish Employment and Vocational Service, a nonprofit social-services agency in Philadelphia, is looking for an educational testing consultant to provide test preparation for the SATs, among other tests, mainly to low-income youth. But Kristen Rantanen, the director of communications and public relations for the organization, says that an SAT score "is nothing we would ever ask or require of a candidate." </p>

<p>Kristin Carnahan, a College Board spokeswoman, says the organization has no way to confirm whether more companies are using the SAT because it typically sends scores directly to colleges, not to employers. But she says that it makes more sense for employers to base their decisions on grades, a more recent measure of a person's abilities. "There seem to be so many other measures that would be relevant for employers to use," she adds.</p>

<p>That actually surprises me a lot; my apologies for the incorrect statement. We had an assembly at school recently wherein someone asked about that, and the GC answering the questions (who I generally consider to be very well informed) stated that it was "highly unlikely" that your employer would ask for your SAT scores. That coupled with the fact that I've seen California1600 on the Harvard and Princeton boards /trying/ to stir up trouble made me think the post was false. Again, my apologies!</p>

<p>thats dumb</p>

<p>I hate this country</p>

<p>thats REALLY stupid. why should something you did before you went through college matter?</p>

<p>its only true for a few companies, probably 1% of them. the only comapnies who ask it are probably those that are run by people who recieved a 1600 and still wnat to brag..whats new?</p>

<p>haha, Probably true ^</p>


<p>Yeah, how can a test you took before college really be a big deal to employers? I'm going with z2thay</p>

<p>Another attempt by the meritocracy ruling elite to keep poor minorities down. I had a friend who scored a 980 on the SAT and went on to a SUNY school where he excelled, was at the top of the class. Can't he get the job now because we all know that poor minorities do really bad on the SAT. I know a kid, lives with his stepmom, she only makes minimum wage and he scored a 1250. Do you really think that if he was affluent and his parents were still alive that he would have gotten the same score?</p>



<p>One very little known fact is that Blacks actually outperform whites on certain types of SAT verbal questions. On emotive logic questions, Blacks do very well. Better than whites.</p>

<p>However, after discovery of this phenomenom, College Board promptly threw out those type of questions under the guise of "statistical anomoly". This is why I do not trust College Boards decision making process. Its all based on politics, instead of actual intelligence. A true intellectual would see the validity of emotive logic questions as a type of intelligence. Emotive logic is much more correlated with intelligence than say proper grammar, which will become 1/3 of the SAT very soon. </p>

<p>Do your research on it. If you are really that passionate about it, I hope you end up doing something about it.</p>

<p>Its funny why the Republicans don't consider Florida e-voting patterns a statistical anomaly, but they consider Black performance on SAT emotive logic questions as anomalies. </p>

<p>So much to do, so little time.</p>

<p>can you provide some links cali?
searched for emotive logic SAT verbal
found nothing.</p>

<p>i think that is retarded. Anyway, wouldn't they care more about the GRE's, if the person went to grad school?</p>

<p>Roy O Freedle, an ETS researcher, has come out with an article in the Harvard Educational Review that points out that African American students outperform whites on harder questions on the SAT than matched ability non hispanic whites. </p>

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<p>Notably, only Harvard and Berkeley ever release ground breaking research such as this. Most other universities shy away from such research. Go Bears!</p>

<p>This is slightly off topic, but I'm going to bed.</p>