<p>I am hoping that the girl and her family file a civil suit for damages against the boys…and that, if necessary, they garnish the salaries of these boys for years and years after they do get out of college (assuming any will accept them!) and, of course, assuming that any employer would hire them.</p>
<p>It sure would be an interesting background check, wouldn’t it?</p>
<p>boys – the parents and their lawyers are either total idiots or had complete faith that the legal system would walk over this girl – another reason why I think the prosecutor was biased. They did nothing to make certain she was OK with plea, including a settlement if necessary.</p>
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<p>I asked this question of a couple down the street who have only a teen daughter if the juvenile guilty of sexual assault/internet posting etc. was the girl (their daughter). They said they’d buy the idea that stupidity at age 16 involving alcohol, sex organs and the internet might be a “crime” but that they’d provide their daughter with a vigorous defense to get the lightest plea bargain/sentence possible.</p>
<p>They said that they would let their daughter know that what she did was stupid, wrong and criminal in the eyes of the law, but if the boy disclosed the girl’s name because he didn’t think she’d been punished “enough,” they would agree it was to destroy her life. Pure payback.</p>
<p>Seems to me that could also be how a boy and his parents would feel if he was the culprit.</p>
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<p>I think what is unfortunate is that I suspect the girl might have accepted much less in terms of punishment. But now, she is empowered, she has garnered public support. I dont know what sentence was right, but 50 days of community service wasnt.</p>
<p>“I am hoping that the girl and her family file a civil suit for damages against the boys…”</p>
<p>They should have sued her and her family and garnished her wages, if she earned any, for the rest of her life.
[Online</a> video shows Fort Myers boy being bullied](<a href=“http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-01/Online-video-shows-Fort-Myers-boy-being-bullied]Online”>http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-06-01/Online-video-shows-Fort-Myers-boy-being-bullied)</p>
<p>and the woman who wasn’t named because she smothered her first son when she was 17. POS justice system</p>
<p>Even for a ■■■■■, you’re a vile person.</p>
<p>I follow a hazing page on facebook done by Hank Nuwer. This morning he posted a link to an article that provides a comprehensive history of events. </p>
<p>[Teens</a> who assaulted 16-year-old thought it would be ‘funny’ | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com](<a href=“http://www.indystar.com/usatoday/article/57488766?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|IndyStar.com|p]Teens”>http://www.indystar.com/usatoday/article/57488766?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|IndyStar.com|p)</p>
<p>As a policy matter, I would not want the possibility that every juvenile record could be opened to the public. Yes, absolutely there are some crimes committed by juveniles that should be a matter of public record - I believe that is why they are prosecuted as adults. While the judge had a fairly reasoned explanation for why this matter was opened - the fact that the victim did not oppose it weighed heavily in favor of opening the records - I would still have reservations about doing so. </p>
<p>I do hope that the victim in this case is receiving counseling. Very sad.</p>
<p>Is there a reason as to why they’re being called rapists when the act did not occur?</p>
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<p>Because most people agree with the FBI standard of “rape” vs the KY standard?</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120906/OPINION01/309060008/Editorials-Mike-O-Connell-should-remove-his-office-from-Savannah-Dietrich-case[/url]”>http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120906/OPINION01/309060008/Editorials-Mike-O-Connell-should-remove-his-office-from-Savannah-Dietrich-case</a></p>
<p>The local paper is now asking for the prosecutor to step down and a state prosecutor to step in. This entire lack of prosecution stinks. Maybe it just happened, but maybe it is indicative of a system that allows the wealth, the better athletes, in short the priviledged class to get away with this.</p>
<p>There was a great cartoon yesterday in the Wall Street Journal. A little boy was being sent to the corner, and the caption said something to the effect of “How about community service instead?” with the mother having a “look” on her face that communicated no. There are some things community service is the right answer for, but this is not one of them.</p>
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<p>This school costs about $12K/year which is slightly more than what public schools in my area cost per student. The decent private schools in my area run about $20K and the best run $45-$50K. This particular Catholic school reminds me of one that we had in our city when I was growing up - the kids that went there were fairly ordinary middle-class kids.</p>
<p>Is being able to spend $12K/year on private schools indicative of wealth?</p>
<p>BC, this school is in Louisville, not Boston or NY. The price may not be indicative of wealth, but one of the boy’s fathers is a director at Black Rock.</p>
<p>I have no idea of the relative wealth of the families involved, and it doesn’t seem to me that it is relevant. The prosecutor has a MAJOR conflict of interest, and should have recused himself. Someone said that apparently he actually asked for the case? His subsequent actions seem to me to clearly indicate a desire to protect the interests of the two athletes, rather than those of the victim of their assault. What would appear to matter to him was that they were athletes at his alma mater, and I doubt that he cared whether they were wealthy or on scholarship.</p>
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<p>I’m in NH where prices are quite a bit lower than Boston outside of the tippy-top schools</p>
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<p>I don’t think that wealth matters either but it bugs me when things are painted that way.</p>
<p>I think director at a place like BlackRock means something.</p>
<p>ETA – according to reports, they live in a house valued at over 700K, yeah in Louisville area, I think that means they are well off. Maybe not the 1%, but not the downtrodden. </p>
<p>You may not like looking at like this, but dollars to donuts, the boys’ families are better off than the girl’s.</p>
<p>ETA – I should have put an or between wealth and better athletes – I think both can get a pass at times.</p>
<p>Whether the boys’ families are better off or not doesn’t really matter. </p>
<p>Based on the police interviews, one family took the situation seriously. The parents and lawyer instructed the boy to speak truthfully to the police, but were not present for the interview. He came across as immature, but at least a bit repentant. He said he deleted the pictures from his phone, and it sounds like he didn’t have to be asked to do so.</p>
<p>The other was picked up at school, and did not have a parent or lawyer present. Perhaps he felt he didn’t need his lawyer because he didn’t feel he had done anything wrong. There are several inconsistencies between the stories, but both admitted to the basics of what happened. </p>
<p>One boy seemed to think he was entitled to keep those pictures, and share them if he so desired. When asked to delete them he refused. This is the one whose lawyer is claiming she ruined his life. If the argument was that she plied them with alcohol and entrapped them, I could see saying she ruined his life. But he was the one that violated her, and took pictures to document the event (when will they ever learn?); he was the one that ruined his own life, if it is in fact ruined.</p>
<p>My gut instinct is to trust the statements from the first boy. He may have had a lawyer because he knew it was a bad situation, and may have expected the other boy to throw him under the bus.</p>
<p>CTS, I am going to disagree. I think whether the family is well off can determine how the prosecution moves. Whether that happened here remains to be seen. </p>
<p>I am having trouble figuring out at times which boy is which. The attorney seemed to say that his client was the one headed for an Ivy school. I thought that was Zehnder, who I thought was the one with the higher GPA, as opposed to Frey, who was until this headed for a less selective school, and Frey was the one who wouldnt give up the pictures. Oh well, I guess I am not following closely enough, I agree, one boy seems more repentant than the other.</p>
<p>I really don’t think that the girl “plied” them with liquor, they seemed like willing participants.</p>
<p>I meant to add that it’s not who’s more well off, but who has an attitude of entitlement - and that would be Frey. </p>
<p>It does appear to be Zehnder’s lawyer who claims his life is “ruined” but I think the blame is misplaced. Zehnder appears to have deleted the photographs, and made appropriate step to “make it all go away.” It is his friend Frey who wouldn’t delete the pictures, and seemed to escalate the whole situation.</p>
<p>It appears that his family may be well-off, and he might not need a scholarship, and his sense of entitlement might make him believe that it all doesn’t matter, because he will be charged as a Juvenile, and the record will be sealed when he turns 19-1/2. Maybe that’s why his parents didn’t get involved at first - as long as he wasn’t charged as an adult, it would eventually go away.</p>
<p>Zehnder is paying the bigger price of the two boys, and that may be part of his lawyer’s frustration.</p>
<p>It may also be that at one point, the attorney represented both boys – not clear to me. If what the lawyer said was true, that one boy hoped to attend an Ivy on scholarship, and as we all know, Ivies only give need aid, and that one boy was Zehnder, that would point to him being middle class at most. </p>
<p>I agree that if I have the names right, Zehnder is more repentant, tried to minimize damage and has already paying the bigger price.</p>
<p>ETA – If I were Zehnder’s attorney, I would stop complaining about publicity. He’s lost that battle, but I would say, without throwing blame, what my client has already lost, and togethor with much more community service, house arrest, that should be sufficent.</p>
<p>The kid who refused to destroy pictures – throw the book at him.</p>
<p>Both Zehnder and Frey have lacrosse videos up on youtube. Still there. I guess they expect to be recruited.</p>
<p>I agree that Zehnder does not deserve to be treated quite as harshly as Frey, given that he complied with the request to destroy the pictures and–apparently–apologized.</p>