The type of online courses you’re referring are called MOOCs (Massively Open Online Courses) and they aren’t the same as the ones offered by the colleges, which are supposed to be interactive. Colleges that do not offer a competitive remote product do need to, either improve their product, or provide a discount.
If students are taking their courses online and it’s cheaper for them to do it while living at home, at least some of them are likely to want to do so. If they are economically affected by the shutdown, they may not have enough money for rent or they may have to work to keep themselves of their families afloat. Or their parents may not be comfortable with the risks of living in college apartments if home is a safer option.
True. But the landlords are still expecting the $, whether the student lives there, or not.
OPV is a live virus vaccine which rarely back-mutates into a virulent form of polio. So, while its low cost and ease of administration (no needles to deal with like with IPV) makes it the preferred vaccine in places where polio is endemic, it is not used in places like the US where polio is rare and those rare back-mutation events from OPV could be a significant percentage of polio cases.
The hypothesis is that OPV and/or BCG vaccines induce some non-specific immune system enhancement or activation that makes one more resistant to other infections like COVID-19 that these vaccines do not specifically target.
I would be open to a dorm for my high school senior next year! Or tiny house? Or camper? (a little levity people)
He will be back and forth to school each day spreading the virus to the “older” crowd. I imagine many K-12 teachers who are older or compromised will be taking a leave or even choose to retire.
I believe college students will give the appropriate distance to their instructors, then they go back to their dorms or apartments.
What the landlords expect and what the landlords GET are sometimes two different things.
landlords will get the rent per the leases students have already signed, and students are more than eager to move back to their college towns.
Regarding the cost of online vs. in-person - do we know if, realistically, operating the school via online instruction save them money? I am not comparing on-line universities the U of phoenix, they run like a well oil machine. But for a typical school, having to make the switch, a lot of logistics to work out and potentially additional cost for covid related expenses, I doubt that the schools save money. And if they don’t save any money, it’s ridiculous to expect a reduced cost. Sorry that you don’t get to see your football team playing, but COVID happens.
@homerdog I disagree that the Amherst letter was implying that; though the Princeton letter was pretty pessimistic, and the Harvard and Amherst letters were very cautious, I think it is just a matter of caution.
This thread is interesting, but bottom line this is a crap shoot and PR spin game by college and university leadership. The federal government, (Dr. Fauci, CDC experts et al) and state governments will be making the call in the July time frame. Everything else for the next few months is pure speculation. I am optimistic for my kids’ sake and and I don’t think you can or should take any child or young adult and quarantine them for months on end like this.
There are states that still have 14 day quarantines for anyone coming from out of state. If kids are returning to apartments in those states and are traveling from another state, they might have to quarantine. I tried to find a list of states with these quarantine orders but I can’t find one updated source. We don’t know what summer will bring and which states will be continuing this type of order in August. So, if you have a lease and and want to go back, you might need to go back with a plan as to how you’ll stay inside for two weeks before class starts.
@suzyQ7 That was just an option BU was CONSIDERING along with fully in-person, fully remote, and hybrid education for the fall semester. I believe Stanford is still considering it (though it’s easier for them because they are on a quarter system). Amherst is not, however (they ruled out that option pretty quickly at the town hall).
@GMgiant The government can tell them they cannot hold in-person classes yet due to restrictions on meeting sizes, but they can’t really tell them to keep students off-campus; 200 or so students are still living at my college campus. They can reopen the dorms no matter what, and resume in-person classes as soon as the government lifts the restrictions on meeting sizes.
Interesting article:
https://www.insidehighered.com/digital-learning/blogs/learning-innovation/15-fall-scenarios
@homerdog They could just bring students back two weeks before classes starts and have a delivery system. I think that’s a pretty easy fix. Also, I am moving to Maine at the end of the month which still has the “quarantine” 14-day order in place, and their current “quarantine order” doesn’t really prevent people from leaving their home entirely, it just asks them to socially distance and says they can’t go to work or anything like that unless they are an essential worker. The “quarantine” order in Maine is basically the same as the “stay-at-home” order in North Carolina.
Right, I know. But for some reason people read that as ‘its happening’. Multiple people have mentioned this to me - either they are not reading the article or the media misrepresented it. There are even lawsuits, I believe?
I don’t think it’s at all “ridiculous “ for people to want schools to consider a discount in tuition for online learning at home.
@ChemAM that is good to know about the Maine order.
I don’t think it’s an easy fix, though, to have students all stay in their dorms (for any sized school) and deliver food! I don’t want to be alarmist. Maybe no states will have that rule in Aug but, if one does, kids really can’t go back until that’s lifted.
You make it sound like people are locked in their room for months on end? Here’s a day in life of my D20 last week.
- takes "social distancing" walks with her best friend;
- she runs in the neighborhood for exercise and does zoom workouts at home;
- on Saturday, she/we celebrated her boyfriend's birthday in our backyard with birthday cake;
- she goes to the grocery store or gets take-out on occasion;
- lays out by our pool studying;
- grabs drive-thru starbucks coffee while wearing her mask,
- put graduation signs in the front yard of her fellow HS seniors homes, etc.
Let’s stop the pitty party for these kids, they are resilient and have it pretty good. There was a time when 18 - 21 year olds were drafted in the army and had to serve our country (and maybe be severely injured or die in war). That’s a true hardship, this is a cake walk in comparison.
This is NOT a “quarantine” by any stretch of the imagination.
Doesn’t hurt to ask, but don’t expect it to come thru. Alternatively, schools can just raise tuition say 5% next year and then offer a 5% “discount” for the uncertainty of class venue.