title IX probably won’t allow ONLY the revenue producing sports (like football) to be played.
They could be played if they were spun off from the college.
Then how would the college get the revenue stream? From a 1 time sale? If through a royalty or something along those lines, I think women students could still make a claim that they are entitled to sports team under title IX. I don’t want to derail the thread so I’m not going to say anything else about it other than I think it would be hard to work around title IX because the purpose is to make sure the genders have equal opportunities and I think a court would look through form to get to the substance.
They wouldn’t.
Disagree that the focus of K12 is day care. Instead, it’s an educational crisis if we force the disadvantaged to suffer thru another term of online coursework. It ain’t working. These kids would be so far behind…
True, there is impact in sports, but not so much the high profile ones like football. Of the 23 CSUs, 3 are in D1 FBS, 1 is in D1 FCS, 4 are in D1 without football, and most of the rest are in D2.
@tuckethannock , thanks for taking the time to write such thorough and informative posts.
Thank you so much @tuckethannock for your very educational post. You really touched on so many things that I have been worried about. More and more I am really thinking D hs 21 will end up commuting to our local public.
Colleges may stealthily reduce FA by calculating “need” less favorably to the student, assuming higher student contributions (full federal direct loan plus higher student work earnings expectation), and (for those that do not claim to “meet need”) leaving more unmet “need”. Another way to reduce FA is to make it harder to get (e.g. colleges that do not require non-custodial parent information can change to require that to reduce the number of FA-needy students attending).
Since people or organizations researching college affordability and the like are not running hundreds or thousands of college net price calculators for various hypothetical financial situations every year, they are unlikely to notice that FA this year or next year may not be as generous as it was last year at that college. That allows the colleges to deal with the revenue problem without the bad headlines of “raising (list price) tuition!” or “no longer meeting need!” or “now need aware instead of need blind!”.
Many models predict a fall wave…basically 6 months from the start of the first. Then another winter wave. All speculation of course.
I hope testing gets up to speed, but just today (again) the accuracy of the Abbott ID Now test has been called in to question (with seemingly good data). Testing is tougher without an accurate rapid test.
And…I just don’t see my state will have contact tracers trained and ready to go, nor the technology needed for that effort, by the time K-12 school starts.
Lastly, If we can test, trace and isolate, no reason colleges can’t be open. Relatively, the quarantine and isolating parts are the most straightforward piece for them.
@ucbalumnus wrote:
Now would be the perfect time for many colleges to announce their plans to become need-aware. Who would blame them? Wesleyan took a lot of flak (on this very website) when it switched about ten years ago. But, the argument its advocates made then are just as true today: Why nickle and dime a lot of people who will probably turn down the offer anyway when you can target the people you really want to attend by being more generous?
One problem with that is that the decision will need to be made soon in many cases, possibly before they know how solid the test, trace, quarantine system will be.
Plus, there is yet no decision on fall sports such as football. San Diego State has clarified their educational model will be “mostly” virtual. Some labs, art studio and clinical work (required for licensure) will be in-person.
True.
But K-12 schools need some lead time as well…some schools in Illinois open first week of August, so they are probably just a couple weeks behind the college in timeline.
@TVBingeWatcher2 - Same here. S21 has always planned on OOS which we fully supported.
Now? Local highly ranked university is easily back in the running. So much less stress to contend with on many fronts by staying local.
Never thought we’d be in this camp. Had even seriously considered overseas St. A’s until last few weeks.
“Have to” – strong words.
The schools are getting the meals out. Our district took care of that first thing, and they stopped asking questions about who was supposed to be getting food. You need food, show up. At first they made you bring a kid; now they don’t.
Every time you say “x has to open”, you’re saying “people at x have to go be exposed more.” What it really means is that, outside the lifesaving workers, you’re really hoping people will show up. But they don’t have to unless they’re poor and unable to find other ways of managing.
It does mean though that we’ll have a serious reckoning about childcare as labor. A surprising benefit of being a single mom: my work’s importance has never been negotiable, regardless of the childcare/no-childcare situation, regardless of whether school’s in session. I find that in Zoom meetings I’m consistently the only woman with her own home office.
When my kid was little, a lot of my work got done from home between 9 pm and 5 am. The days were a little hazy, and there was often a nap involved, true, but we managed that way for years. If my kid got out of bed, the option was “you can be on the couch where you can see me, but talking is not allowed: I’m working.” And I think that rather than having “employers won’t wear it” as a retort, people will come to recognize that a lot of employers have managed that way for a long time now, and also that they’ll get flexible if pushed. Managing without capable people and trying to hire right now both sound like headaches nobody wants.
I don’t really understand what this fantasy is about contact tracing unless it’s a lot of tech bros excited about privacy blockades’ crumbling. There isn’t going to be a way to trace comprehensively enough to get a useful picture. We won’t even know what we’re missing. Again, consider how hard it was to do contact tracing during the AIDS epidemic, and, you know, you’d think you’d remember who you’d had sex with in the previous year.
Maybe the epidemiologists are just hoping to get a sense of averages for representative populations. If that’s the case, though, I don’t get what the sense of urgency is for this wall-to-wall rollout the governments and public health depts are talking about.
Thank you – and I can hear sylvan8798 facepalming and thinking “don’t encourage tuckethannock!” They’re right, you know.
I’m glad you joined CC @tuckethannock
You don’t have to get every single contact for contact tracing to work. You just have to get most of them. And it’s not a tech thing; the job is done with a phone and a lot of charm.
If you don’t know what all of them are, how do you know you’ve got most of them?
Link to Contact Tracing for Dummies will do if this is basic stuff, btw. Thanks.
I live and work in a hard-hit area. I have heard rumors of a reopening strategy that has first-year students coming to campus for hybrid instruction (social distancing won’t allow the traditional classroom) and living in the dorms, but upperclassmen will have remote instruction and no residential presence, at least for fall semester. With only 25% of the students on campus, it might be possible to observe social distancing if students actually cooperate.
I’m not particularly worried personally about exposure (mostly because I have no underlying conditions and I think I have already had a bout with Covid 19) but I do not want to be in a small classroom with 25 students 3 feet apart from each other for 80 minutes. The first-year-only plan above would allow first-years to be 6 feet apart and everyone would be wearing masks, of course, including the instructor. The lectures would be online (because you can’t lecture wearing a mask). It’s not ideal but it’s better than nothing, and would allow first years to develop a feeling of belonging and to learn how to “do” college.
Nothing is going to be ideal. The important thing is to keep learning moving forward, and to ensure that course objectives are met.
College students who do not have their own laptops and expansive internet services are going to have to get them somehow (i.e. they can’t rely on institutional resources such as computer labs, libraries). The online era of education is going to exacerbate class differences in this country, badly. Privacy, peace and quiet, is a key and limited academic resource. I have students telling me that they can only work at night because their parents need the home computer to work remotely during the day. The paycheck earner takes precedence over the student in a household. Students with children at home are barely coping.