@twoin18, my main objection was to his being in another car (a confined space) with another person for a long length of time. My second problem was his not telling us - he knew we would have told him not to go. The hiking doesn’t bother me.
As I’ve said before, I don’t get the lip service that so many people pay to social distancing but then they turn around and say, “I’ve made a few exceptions…” It’s the exceptions that are going to cause problems.
There are no regulations in our county which specifically require individual workers in a takeout restaurant to wear masks when making your food (to be precise the latest requirements only require them to “wear a face covering in any area when working with the public or in areas where customers or the public may be present”). And I’m not aware of any changes to the existing regulations about when gloves are required to be worn during food preparation (generally they are not required in most circumstances, though hand washing is). Are there such regulations in your county? Do you ask about them before ordering takeout?
I agree there are going to be real issues when we relax the current requirements. It is clear that some people are going to be much more cautious than others. Like some people will disinfect their groceries, but others will not. I’m aware of the theoretical risk of infection from groceries, I’m yet to see indications it has happened in practice. Just like a cough potentially traveling 20+ feet but 6 feet being deemed reasonable.
Flat out wrong. An infected person can transfer the virus to a surface that is subsequently touched by another person who than touches their mouth, nose or eyes. In the above example the virus could be on the cupcake liner and table they put out on the table. They probably also put out napkins that were used by the neighbors.
The point is that the virus is not only transferred from person to person but person to surface to person. Why in the world are hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes sold out in the U.S., because you can contact the virus from surfaces.
@socaldad2002 Because if it spreads on your face you can breathe it in. This is coming directly from my dad; the doctor with the M.D. and Ph.D. in Biology. And you can breathe it in if it is on a nearby surface.
I know this has been said before, but labs are an absolute DISASTER online. I’m a chemistry major, and ever since we’ve been online, they just give us the data and graphs and all we do are the pre-lab write-ups and the post-lab questions/calculations. Considering that I hope to go to grad school and become a chemistry professor, this is not helping me get the lab experience I need.
So let’s say students are allowed on campus and classes are somehow social distanced. I would think wearing masks in class would be mandatory for the fall session. I am sure schools would give students the option of coming live and wearing masks VS staying in their dorm and participating in the class. I would think this is a realistic model. I am pretending the dorm situation would be figured out…
So what students would want to go to class “live” wearing masks VS video learning? What happens when someone has allergies and is sneezing like I am doing right now ?.
The problem with this “consequences be damned” philosophy is that people who are likely to have fewer bad consequences are choosing for everyone, even those who will have the bad consequences.
And make no bones about it, the consequences of a Do Nothing, or Do Very Little approach are going to be significant. The fact that some of the country is apparently fine with that prospect is, well, a commentary on the state of humanity, I suppose.
I really can’t see lecturing with a face mask on, so I certainly hope that’s not a requirement.
@sylvan8798 The prospect of humans being concerned with themselves far more than other beings is not a new concept. It is biological nature. Tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year and those companies easily have the tools to make driving safer, but they don’t, because it is more expensive for them, and to them, making a profit is more important than saving lives.
So we are clear with your point. There’s no way a person can get the virus from cupcake liner or table even if they the touch the infected surface and then immediately touch their nose or eyes or mouth. Ask your dad this question and report back to us. Thx.
The consequences of any possible approach, including (in your terms) “Do Everything” are also going to be very significant. Economic collapse leads to more ill health and death too. There are always going to be trade-offs and no approach is unequivocally good.
I love the lack of smog and clear skies here at the moment too, but I don’t think that banning all cars is a realistic way to make that happen permanently.
An absolutist view is not going to prevail on either side, though finding a compromise is a messy political issue and in this case perhaps is best left to individual states to judge in the context of their particular circumstances. They are “laboratories of democracy” after all. Perhaps that means we won’t have as much interstate travel for a while - that’s what is happening in previously border free Europe at the moment. It was also the point of Bret Stephens‘ NYT opinion piece yesterday about “America Shouldn’t Have to Play by New York Rules”
Perhaps profs can stand at a podium, with plexiglass installed as high as to protect their face. Or teach virtually.
Profs who are in at-risk groups won’t be able to teach in person unless they choose to not isolate and are comfortable with the accommodations made by their school. No on-site workplace will be able to offer a completely risk-free situation for these populations, be they profs, students, or staff.
In the absence of a vaccine, CDC and other guidelines are unlikely to change, meaning continued shelter-in-place/isolation for at-risk individuals.
The economy will stay down because entire swaths of the economy have been devastated – and will remain at a fraction of their old strength. Not just restaurants, but transportation, tourism, manufacturing, and let’s not forget: oil & gas. So you’ve got massive unemployment – and those who are working and have money are restraining spending due to ongoing virus concerns.
“You may also be able to get it by touching a
surface or object that has the virus on it, and
then by touching your mouth, nose, or eyes.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/2019-ncov-factsheet.pdf
@socaldad2002 @BuckeyeMWDSG Yes, it is possible because you can breathe it in, but if you sanitize it properly and avoid breathing before putting it in your mouth, you should be fine.
How do you “properly sanitize” a cupcake or a cupcake wrapper?
No the students sitting in seats wearing masks. But the teachers can be using a microphone so they could make it work if needed. This is for larger auditorium classes but I guess can work at any level. Changes will have to be made one way or another. This is the new reality. College just going on as o
Pre pandemic seems to be unrealistic to me at this point.
So the whole cupcake episode is making me really crave some cupcakes but has nothing to do with this thread! ?.
So Michigan just came out with their football season tickets being pushed back for season holders till July 1st. So at least their thinking about playing football live. Have no idea how you play this game or practice with social distancing. The second one kid gets It on the team it will spread like wildfire. Also can’t social distance 115,000,raging fans.
Going to be interesting ?.
I cannot see any sporting events where tens of thousands are present. Maybe empty stadiums, or 30,000 people spread across the Big House?
@roycroftmom I was thinking about cross country too, but then remembered how packed they are at the start of the race (at our hs meets anyway-I’ve never been to a college race). Also, they seem to pass really closely to each other with a lot of heavy breathing.