Schools for the White Jewish Girl From New York/Jersey with a 3.8

I got a big lecture from one of my friends who claims expertise in this area. She basically tells me that I cannot take my S16’s experience or those of his male friends and extrapolate it to my D17. As an unhooked WGFNYNJ she is the worst demographic or close to it and a boy (other than an ORM studying STEM) would be a much easier applicant. In her opinion even a STEM female is in trouble - and D cannot apply STEM anyway and it is too late for her to take harp lessons! I realize it is the unhooked girl that is the biggest problem, not the Jewish. Except the Jewish (for me) eliminates matches such as Villanova. She really needs realistic targets and safeties. Looking back for the last 3 years, boys have done better than girls in their school with similar stats but I had assumed it was random, just ECs and essays.

Now I am wondering if my friend is right. Although why does the unhooked humanities girl do so much worse than the unhooked STEM white boy?

To quote @RockvilleMom who started the thread that inspired me to post this question, “I make this request - if you are interested in this topic - have good ideas - please contribute. If you feel this type of thread is not necessary - then I guess there is no reason for you to post on it, right? (Said gently!)…So, I’d love feedback from parents and students who are familiar with Jewish life and the Hillels at these schools. If I have overlooked some - please fill me in. We are trying to stay in the mid-Atlantic region” I would add North East as well mid west with a good airport and good connections to metro NY/NJ but driving is preferred. Would prefer not to put her in too political a situation, such as where SJP or BDS are a strong factor. I want her focused on her education not marching in protest.

D has decent but not extraordinary STATs, 3.8 and a 31 - broken out strongly in favor of English. Strong leadership, consistent activities and varsity sports (not a recruit). Her common app essay is very good and unusual (say her parents!) She is looking for a mid size research university. Over 3500, under 14,000 (upper end not a deal breaker, lower end is). She will apply to Rutgers/SUNY et all. She is not interested in any of the CTCLs, F & M or Muhlenburg. I have seen lots of other posts for girls in this category that will have suggestions such as Fordham or Villanova or St. Olaf. For obvious reasons neither of us is comfortable with those suggestions and St. Olaf is too small for her anyway. She wants a SECULAR school with an active Hillel, not to be the founding member or a school dominated or organized by another religion.

Dealbreakers: Urban, small (under 3500) or rural.

College Town or Suburban is good.

The reaches are not a problem, it is the usual suspects, that according to my friend she will have a “sad process” with, Tufts, Emory, WUSTL, Vandy, possibly Cornell. Some targets, Lehigh she liked, most others do not appeal and are too far to visit such as URochester (will probably apply - she is ok with cold weather), Case Western (another target that she is meh on and is far for me).

She happens to not like Brandeis, BU, or NE because she spent time in Boston in the past and does not care for the urban feel. She was open to women’s colleges until she visited one and decided no. NOT interested in Miami (either one), Syracuse or Ithaca (Cornell OK) and hates the idea of the usual OOSs such as BAMA, UDelaware, UMaryland, OSU, Indiana, UIUC, UWisc or UMich (she would like the last two but I have personal reasons for not permitting them). I do not want her too far west or south, a 2.5 hour flight is about max. Do not know enough about UNC-CH or UVa other than they seem like reaches for her and may be too southern in population.

She really needs targets that she can get excited about and safeties beyond her state flagship.

Is cost a factor? Is her gpa weighted or unweighted?

What’s the money situation? Any restrictions? Do you need merit?

Why is Tufts OK and Brandeis not? They are both in suburbs of Boston.

My understanding is that Oxford College/Emory is easier to get into than Emory itself so you might want to look into that.
Tulane is outside your flying time but as you probably know, very heavy concentration of Jews from the north east.
How about American or GW (latter may be too urban). Lots of people love Elon but I think it would be too rural for you. How about Skidmore?

Tufts, Emory, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Wash U, UVA, and UNC are reaches. Michigan is probably a reach as well given OOS and your demographic (NY/NJ) but that school is off limits to you.

She does not seem thrilled with match schools: Delaware, Uconn ?, UMD, Syracuse, OSU, and Indiana. Wisconsin is off limits?

She likes Lehigh which is good. How about Tulane, Binghamton? Oxford at Emory is worth investigating- she would transition into Emory after two years.

What’s wrong with UWisc?

http://www.uwhillel.org

Oh, nevermind - “personal reasons”.

I’d recommend Dickinson although it is smaller than your stated parameters.

Honestly, I think your daughter is being to restrictive in what she’ll consider and is foregoing a lot of great educational options because of that. Some parameters are great because they help whittle down the choices, but I think she has too many. Maybe she needs to rank which are the most important to her and which ones she has some give on.

Your reaches are pretty reachy. You are smart to really hone in on matches at this point! How about U of Richmond? Elon? Wake Forest? William and Mary? Pitt? American? Maybe look at little closer at Bucknell and Lafayette if she likes Lehigh even if they have fewer students than she prefers. She just may like those schools.

Until I re-read the “no” list carefully, I had in mind exactly one of the mid-sized colleges on that list. Has excellent reputation as a teaching-oriented faculty (I know a few of those faculty). And it has this: http://www.muhillel.org/

Delaware is a match that meets her criteria. What doesn’t she like about it? What about Umass-Amherst?

NYU ?

If finances are not an issue she can consider Lehigh ED. URochester and Case Western are good options as well. She might look at Tulane, SUNY Binghamton, TCNJ and perhaps a school like SUNY New Paltz or Quinnipiac as more of a safety.

I second Delaware which has a very good reputation and a strong Jewish student body. Why is she set against the public out of state schools?

Rochester is definitely worth a look. It’s a great school.

I respect that she has strong preferences but if this were my kid, I’d ask her to relax them just a little bit. If she is strongly skewed toward humanities as you suggest, she may well find that the LACs that she’s pretty much eliminated from her search are the schools that will offer her the most.

Colgate?

sorry, missed the “urban” deal breaker

Looks like she’ll be going to Rutgers.

And IMO Brandeis is more suburban than urban in feel. It may be worth a re-look. (and ignore my Tulane idea above since that is in the city). Agree that perhaps she needs to widen her parameters a bit.

I must be misreading-- she has both urban and rural as dealbreakers?

I don’t know about the Jewish population, but she might want to consider University of Vermont. People seem to love it there. It’s in a great college town.

I’m wondering which women’s college she visited, and what she didn’t like about it. They aren’t all the same. :slight_smile:

That undergraduate size of about 4000-5000 is a sweet spot that is hard to find, except for obvious reaches. I think keeping Rochester and the Sunys on her list is a good idea. I can’t quite imagine a strongly humanities-oriented student want to go to Quinnipiac.

BTW, I think your friend is likely correct regarding the prospects for girls vs boys, especially at LACs.

TCNJ, Geneseo, Towson, American, Butler, Indiana U, Truman State?