<p>For the benefit of many high school kids who are now seeking for a top quality college education of Ivy League standard, let’s provide a list of schools that are generally considered on par with the Ivies or of Ivy caliber.</p>
<p>State Universities:
Berkeley
UVa
Michigan
UCLA
William & Mary
UNC</p>
<p>Research-Oriented Schools:
MIT
Stanford
Northwestern
Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Duke
CMU
Georgetown
Emory</p>
<p>Liberal Arts Colleges and LAC-Type
Rice
Vanderbilt
Amherst
Williams
Shwarthmore
Bowdoin
Mudd
Pomona
Mc Kenna
WU@StL</p>
<p>The point would be “For the benefit of many high school kids who are now seeking for a top quality college education of Ivy League standard”. I nominate Caltech for research universities.</p>
<p>What would be good is for someone to comment on the list here which of these schools offer either a very similar program for financing college to Harvard - IE: 10 percent of parent’s income is cost to attend (in general), OR if any of these schools offer significant merit aid which looks like a FULL RIDE to a significant amount of accepted students (10% for example), who might range above the school’s average sat or act scores, ie: maybe 10 percent of their students get a full ride if those students have higher test scores than their high range?</p>
<p>Seriously though, can’t any student just get the free, online, available to the public rankings from USNWR and other sources?</p>
<p>Technically, for National Universities, wouldn’t it simply be the schools contained in the numeric range of 1-15 (the current range of Ivy League schools in the USNWR ranking).</p>
<p>For LACs, I suppose you could go up through Pomona or Bowdoin, but your can’t compare Nat Uni with LAC straight up b/c of the structural differences.</p>
<p>You’re making the assumption that the Ivy League schools set the standard for educational quality, and in making that assumption you are also assuming that the Ivy League schools offer the highest quality educational experience.</p>
<p>If you read some of the posts on this forum, whatever school a particular student/family has chosen (be it non-flagship state u or otherwise), is on par with an Ivy!</p>
<p>@ghostbuster, I’ve always wondered number of stupid on-lists-salivating people is more or those who live in REAL world! I mean … I can’t fathom out how small is the second number!</p>
<p>But that would also defeat the obvious purpose and objective of the OP. Adding seven schools to the 8 Ivies would (again obviously) miss the intended target by about 10 schools. </p>
<p>By the time everyone adds their favorite school according to the criteria wisely exposed by MOWC, we will end up with yet another CC senseless list.</p>
<p>Fwiw, since this type of exercise provides some comical rellef, it would be a LOT more fun to ask people to pick schools from the USNews top 30 universities and top 20 LACs that are NOT considered to “Ivy-League- Caliber.” </p>
<p>Throwing fuel on the fire, I’d say that schools that exceed 25% admission rate, have lower than 1300 SAT M+R, and more than 40 percent in-state students are to be considered …unworthy of the OP’s list. </p>
<p>"Throwing fuel on the fire, I’d say that schools that exceed 25% admission rate, have lower than 1300 SAT M+R, and more than 40 percent in-state students are to be considered …unworthy of the OP’s list. "</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins and Cornell usually have less than a 1300 on their 25th percentile list. Further when I applied to college, its prolly a bit different now, JHU, UChicago, Emory, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, CMU had acceptance rates greater than 25%. Now they are more highly selective i know.</p>
<p>I wasn’t looking at the 25% percentile, but at a derived average score (average 25 of 75 percentiles.) As far as the admission rate floor, isn’t a list that is supposed to be comparable to the Ivy League have a minimum of correlation in terms of selectivity?</p>
<p>Some of the schools in post #1 have excellent faculty but they don’t have Ivy caliber students:</p>
<p>SATs</p>
<p>from IPEDS 2007</p>
<p>California Institute of Technology 1470 1580
Harvey Mudd College 1430 1560
Harvard University 1400 1590
Yale University 1390 1580
Princeton University 1390 1580
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1380 1560
Pomona College 1380 1530
Washington University in St Louis 1370 1530
Dartmouth College 1350 1550
Swarthmore College 1360 1540
Stanford University 1340 1550
Columbia University in the City of New York 1330 1540
Duke University 1330 1540
Cornell - Arts & Sci and Engineering 1335 1525
Amherst College 1330 1530
Brown University 1330 1530
University of Chicago 1320 1530
University of Pennsylvania 1330 1520
Williams College 1320 1520
Tufts University 1340 1490
Northwestern University 1320 1500
Rice University 1310 1510
University of Notre Dame 1300 1510
Claremont McKenna College 1300 1500
Carleton College 1310 1490
Cornell University 1290 1500
Georgetown University 1300 1490
Wellesley College 1300 1480
Reed College 1310 1470
Carnegie Mellon University 1290 1490
Haverford College 1290 1490
Vanderbilt University 1300 1480
Wesleyan University 1290 1480
Emory University 1300 1470
Bowdoin College 1300 1470
Johns Hopkins University 1280 1490
Washington and Lee University 1310 1460
Vassar College 1300 1450
Vanderbilt University 1300 1480
Wesleyan University 1290 1480
Emory University 1300 1470
Bowdoin College 1300 1470
Johns Hopkins University 1280 1490
Washington and Lee University 1310 1460
Vassar College 1300 1450
Middlebury College 1270 1480
University of Southern California 1270 1460
Scripps College 1280 1440
Colby College 1280 1440
Brandeis University 1260 1460
Grinnell College 1250 1460
Oberlin College 1250 1460
Davidson College 1270 1436
Barnard College 1260 1440
College of William and Mary 1250 1450
Macalester College 1250 1440
Colgate University 1250 1430
Boston College 1240 1430
New York University 1240 1430
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 1250 1420
Whitman College 1240 1430
Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus 1240 1420
Wheaton College 1240 1420
Kenyon College 1240 1420
University of California-Berkeley 1200 1450
Connecticut College 1230 1420
University of Rochester 1230 1420
Wake Forest University 1240 1410
New College of Florida 1230 1420
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 1220 1420</p>
<p>The purpose of this thread can be read on post #1. The intention is not to promote certain schools or California schools or the UCs or Berkeley or the State Us. I just want to expand the list of schools that are not yet on the radar of many HS kids who are now in the process of applying to colleges but offer top-quality education just like the ivies do. We all know that the Ivies are great and the education they offer is superb. But they cannot absorb all the smart kids around, and some of them are not the perfect fit, thus this thread.</p>
<p>kwu: The Ivies set the academic standards to the highest level, whether you like it or not. They are all very prestigious and they produce top-quality graduates that the top employers like. But they are not the only best schools around. There are a few others that are like them, or even slightly superior ot inferior than them, and the schools in my list are some of those schools.</p>