Science says--nevermind

40 years of “settled science” now does a 180. And this is a relatively simple system. Food-and human body.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/

I think it’s fair to say you still need to talk to your physician about this. This ‘new’ information does not mean that everyone on the planet of the earth can go out and eat as many eggs as they want with no repercussions.

It’s actually been several years that people have been talking about eggs not being bad for most people. It happened to overlap with new studies that show sugar is the real danger. My physician has been talking to me about sugar for three years now. He suggests not eating:

C - carbonated drinks
R - refined sugars
A - artificial sweeteners and artificial colors
P - processed foods

and do eat:
F - fruits and vegetables
O - organice lean proteins
O - omega-3 fatty acids
D - drink water

It’s about time!

barrons - thanks for the link. I can’t wait to see what they tell us five years from now!

As my FIL used to say that the secret to a healthy life was “anything in moderation.”

I personally will be fighting the side effects of taking statin drugs to combat high cholesterol for the rest of my life. What I failed to realize was that our bodies NEED cholesterol in order to protect nerve endings, for our livers to properly function, that taking a statin drug increases your glucose levels and for many it causes nerve damage.

This is not “new,” though the willingness for many to pay attention might be.

Reminds me a little of the Woody Allen movie, “Sleeper.”

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called “wheat germ, organic honey and tiger’s milk.”

Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.

Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or… hot fudge?

Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy… precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.

Dr. Melik: Incredible.

This is not new

And it’s just about the most complicated system I can imagine, one we don’t understand particularly well.

I eat organic eggs like they are going out of style. My cholesterol is low and all blood levels are perfect, as of a recent CBC.

SO much of what we are told is settled “science” is found to be completely wrong and backward. teriwtt above has it right. Avoid CRAP. Eat FOOD. Sugar IS the real culprit.

Oh,I can think of more complicated systems that are much harder to study well. Hint–AGW

How is the fact the the govt and their scientists are about to change the truth not news???

Because whenever we learn something new, we don’t conspire to keep it from the public. That would be news… if once they learned this, and kept it to themselves for the next umpteen decades.

To scrutinize science takes years and there’s protocol; it’s how good science is kept objective. Some people get wind of new studies and their outcomes and start talking about them, which is how some of us knew this years ago. And you can take these speculations with a grain of salt and make changes or not depending on how willing you are to buy into speculation. Science is sorely underfunded with cuts being made to budgets and it takes a long time for studies to be proposed, get funding, get done, be reviewed by other scientific sources, approved, then published.

Years ago, I took Lipitor and could never get my cholesterol under 300. A friend and I discussed it, and I quit Lipitor and started eating lots of eggs (usually 4 or 5 a day, but today I was in the mood and ate 10). I eat wonderful Kerrygold butter and the cholesterol content is the least of my worries. My cholesterol is now around 160. I’m still bald and cranky though :slight_smile:

I won’t get into conspiracy theories about cholesterol, stents, and half a dozen other things.

To go further about the science, it has never been a definitive causal link from dietary cholesterol to heart disease, at least for most people. It seems true for some, just as it seems true that salt really, really matters for some. But given the number of deaths from heart disease it made sense to pursue that link and then to recommend more aggressive treatment of cholesterol levels. Turns out statins are associated with saving lives but not necessarily as originally thought.

Examples of similar but lesser things: if you went to conference maybe 20 years ago you’d find people gulping vitamin e because it was supposed to counter the creation of free radicals. Then it appeared to be associated with bad not good outcomes. Same with some other supplements. (And of course it’s been pretty well demonstrated that multi-vitamins are a waste for anyone without a real dietary deficiency.)

Now of course that all means evolution is false because now all science is just junk. And witches are real. Ask ISIS; they just decapitated a guy for witchcraft.

“How is the fact the the govt and their scientists are about to change the truth not news???”

Because that’s how science works. Good grief.

Of course, individual genetic variation can make some diet choices healthy for some but unhealthy for others.

Somewhat related, there are some recently published studies about genetics and obesity.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20150211/studies-find-more-genetic-links-to-obesity
http://time.com/3704927/genetic-clues-obesity/
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v518/n7538/full/nature14177.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v518/n7538/full/nature14132.html

I wonder when they will stop relying so heavily on “evidence based” medicine (which I see as “one size fits all” medicine) and figure out that we all have different genetic makeups that require individualized assessments, treatment and advice.

Individualized assessments, treatment, and advice need to be based on evidence on what kinds of individual genetic variations affect medical decisions. Otherwise, it can be a cover for inconsistent medical advice and decisions, possibly with the providers’ revenue motivations being a significant influence (e.g. urologists promoting universal prostate cancer screening and aggressive treatment of detected prostate cancers).

I would not expect your random physician to be an expert on nutrition, such that he or she could definitively tell you if the new recommendation is right or wrong.

^^I’ve been to a nutritionist on multiple occasions due to a medical condition. They don’t know much.

I agree with the “everything in moderation” diet. Years ago, the food pyramid consisted of mostly starch in our diet. That changed to everybody should avoid gluten at all costs. Foods we shouldn’t eat change frequently and there is no way I could eat everything Dr. Oz says I should consume everyday for their benefits. Now we have whole sections of “organic” food in the grocery store that are of little difference to normal foods but at a much higher cost making it difficult for families to provide healthy meals for their kids. Really? Organic boxed macaroni and cheese? A few years ago my son tried to find a box of jello that wasn’t marked “low fat” because, to him, all those low fat products were gross. Seems like every food in the store has some nutrition claim on the container most of which is ridiculous. Now a large percentage of women I know are drinking almond milk instead of the good old fashioned stuff we’ve survived on for thousands of years. Sure, huge quantities of sugar are bad, So is water in excess.