<p>I think u people who expect passengers not to recline on red-eyes & int’l flights are unreasonable</p>
<p>I’m with Xiggi and others on this issue. I don’t understand why I’m chastised as an inconsiderate ogre because I want to recline my seat. Truthfully, these days I seldom recline on planes because usually I’m more comfortable upright. But if I do wish to recline, I always do so slowly, so as not to “bum rush” the guy or gal behind me. As for the latest incident…who the heck puts their head on a seat tray to sleep? They must be contortionists.</p>
<p>H and I both prefer aisle seats and will buy seats across from each other. </p>
<p>This thread demonstrates why humanity requires laws.</p>
<p>I put my neck cushion on the tray and rest my head on the cushion with my arms crossed above my head on International flights; don’t see why this seems odd. I am also one of those who believe the seat should not be reclined. Reclining seats in the days when we were not all squashed together like sardines (and those days did exist) was all well and good but not these days. </p>
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<p>And also shows why many love to make up “new” laws to please their own views! In this case, I am not that old but I have never seen an airplane without reclining seat. Obviously I do not fly Spirit! My assumptions is that the airlines have spent billions in designing planes and decided that reclining seats were the way to go. As far as I know, the issue of the reclining seats has come to forefront because of the publicity associated with the devilished device and the growing irritation with people who … do not do what another wants them to do. </p>
<p>Unless I am mistaken, the “laws” are pretty clear. The passenger who sits in a seat controls the reclining unless told by the flight attendant to put it upright when security dictates it. I also believe that “messing” with the equipment is prohibited. The ONLY law that the airlines should implement is simple as it requires a little placard in the front of the plane. Dear passengers. You are entitled to recline fully and not authorized to block the reclining." </p>
<p>Fwiw, it is a shame that the real aggressors are not recognized. The “law” should deal with them … just as it has seem to work for decades. </p>
<p>My point is that humanity needs laws because humans seem to have problems playing nicely together without rules. It’s too bad.</p>
<p>I can’t sleep on airplanes (or in cars) in a seat, reclined or not. Some people sleep better facing forward, but I wouldn’t try putting my head on the tray table although I’ve seen people do that. Perhaps we need one of those clever Japanese devices that supports your chin from a vertical strap so we can all just dangle in mid-air during the flight. Unless there’s violent turbulence, it should save even more space and let the airlines shave down the inches between rows even more. </p>
<p>“What doesn’t make any sense to me. How did the chair “recline on her head” if her head was resting on the tray table? If her head is resting on the tray table and the passenger in front her reclined, her head would simply just be lowered along with the tray table. Nothing would be “on” her head.”</p>
<p>No, it makes absolute perfect sense. I can put my head in the position described if the seat in front of me is up. If the person lowers, it smushes my head, since I don’t have a cone-shaped head to fit in the wedge of space being created. The tray table isn’t being “lowered” when the person in front reclines – but the space on top of it is violated (for lack of a better term). It’s the exact same principle as to why a laptop might get crushed if someone reclined suddenly.</p>
<p>This happens to me periodically, but it never occurred to me to tell the person in front of me not to recline their seat. I just have to then sleep a different way, which is my problem. </p>
<p>You know how you can’t talk about hijacking a flight without severe repercussions? Remember when that all started years ago?</p>
<p>Well, I think the same should happen with these pax who are making a big to-do about reclining (whether it’s the recliner or the reclined-upon). You listen to what the FA tells you, and you sit down and you shut up. I would be hopping mad if my plane was diverted and these pax walked away with no consequences. I hope to heck their status was revoked and they were banned from those airlines. It’s even more pathetic that these were Econ Plus travelers, who HAD some extra room in the first place.</p>
<p>LOL, Pizzagirl, I’ll make sure to check behind me if I recline, unless she is sitting behind me.</p>
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<p>I put my head on the tray table with my neck pillow. Most of the time the seats don’t have the little flaps that I can adjust to support my neck. (I have three bulging disks and two bad rotator cuffs.) And in Economy, moving the seat back causes my tray table to move, which means I curl my back and neck further because I have less room. And sleep? Only in my dreams.</p>
<p>Flying is miserable for my parts. I pray we get the big upgrade on our upcoming vacation or it will be a very miserable trip.</p>
<p>I fly Alaska where the seats are set at a comfortable angle, & don’t need to be reclined.
I think those who fly other airlines should keep complaining until the airlines give more room.</p>
<p>If you complain but keep buying seats, they aren’t going to change a thing. </p>
<p>Alaska Airlines is extremely useless to most of us in the continental US, and Flyertalk is all abuzz with how much the new Alaska Airlines seats are disliked. </p>
<p><a href=“Aisle legroom on new AS 737 layout is HORRIBLE - Page 6 - FlyerTalk Forums”>http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alaska-airlines-mileage-plan/1563734-aisle-legroom-new-737-layout-horrible-6.html</a></p>
<p>So for all you non-recliners: If someone reclines the seat in front of you into “your space,” do you keep your seat upright in order to respect the space of the person behind you?</p>
<p>I’d also like to know how y’all feel about the armrests. If I am on the aisle or window (pretty much the only way I agree to fly), I leave the armrests for that poor soul stuck in the middle seat.</p>
<p>I gotta repeat what someone said upthread (maybe anxiousmom?), what airlines are you guys flying? I need to book on those flights because when I press that recline button (and yes, I think I have that right), my seat barely budges.</p>
<p>I fly almost exclusively on Southwest, but am lifetime Platinum on American, too. I rarely have anything but an aisle seat- I like to get up during the flight. I recline very slightly. </p>
<p>If I recline, it’s only a little bit. I never go all the way back. As an aisle sitter, I also lean towards the center aisle to give the middle person some room. </p>
<p>I read some of the Flyertalk comments on the new Alaska planes which reconfigured the seats to (surprise!) add an extra row. Alaska, amusingly, claims that there is just as much legroom now! “With our cabin reconfiguration and updates the new seats on these reconfigured aircraft are engineered carefully in order to minimize the area the seats occupy while still providing same or better level of cushions as those previously installed seats; this has allowed us to add an additional row of seats without having to reduce the overall seat pitch dimensions.” Nobody believes them. </p>
<p>“If someone reclines the seat in front of you into “your space,” do you keep your seat upright in order to respect the space of the person behind you?”</p>
<p>To me, it’s immaterial whether the person in front of me reclines. If I’m Econ Plus, I do it without a second thought, except as I said before, I look behind and sort of “give them fair warning” to ensure I’m not crashing down on a laptop. If it’s someone sleeping, or a child, I recline away. If not, it just depends on how I feel. If I’m in Econ, I generally don’t recline because I’m just conscious of how tight it all is. But the person in front of me wouldn’t influence what I did.</p>
<p>And yes, the armrests go to the person in the middle. I’m a window seat person so I try to fall asleep against the window. I am a very good airplane sleeper, though, in general. I have been known to fall asleep before the plane takes off and wake up as it’s touching down, which is a skill that has served me well! I can’t really work very well on flights, unless it’s a long-haul international biz class and I’ve got hours to kill and tons of room.</p>