<p>Ummm . It’s not “your space” if the person in front of you is in a seat that can recline into it. That person bought that seat, and unless the flight personnel decides that the right to recline should not be exercised for that flight for some reason, that person can recline away. That goes for the Econ seats as well. </p>
<p>Personally, if I see the person behind me has some issue–baby in lap, extra heavy, some other space impedimet that is obvious, or if that person or the flight attendant asks me not to recline, I will do so if I so please, without much more thought. I will say, excuse me, to let them know of the movement, but that 's about it. We all know that the airline seats recline for the most part, and how tight the quarters are going into all of this. It’s part of the package. </p>
<p>There were some issues a few years ago when airlines started taking measures to keep people who were so heavy that they "flow over’ their seats from occupying one seat and taking up more than their share of the space. Two seats were required of some passengers,and there was a lot of discussion about that. I have no idea how that was resolved. </p>
<p>I was on a flight a couple of years ago sitting next to someone who was bigger than her seat and needed to take up some of the seats beside her, not to mention needing every bit of leg space as well. I gave her extra room, but the person in front of her tried to recline his seat to no avail and was upset that he could not. He literally could not. But he did not take the issue any further when he saw the situation, though he did not look pleased about it. It was not a long flight and we all endured. I suspect that’s what usually happens. I’ve yet to be on a flight when a a din is caused by these things, though there is talk afterwards, and no one who is squeezed is happy about it.</p>
<p>Apparently the recent brouhaha over seats occurred in economy plus.
I havent flown for three years, & I think the last flight may have been Southwest.
10% off flights to away games. Cool.
<a href=“Seattle Post-Intelligencer”>Seattle Post-Intelligencer;
I dont really have long legs cept for my height, but I do use my tray table to read or work. I usually sit cross legged or with my feet otherwise tucked underneath me.
I may use the trick at the end of the article for when I get tired of seeing bald spots. ( which often dont belong to men)</p>
<p>From what I saw recently, that is probably true in economy class. The new seat backs are thinner, so the seats can have the same legroom at a slightly smaller seat pitch. It does appear that most of the comments in the linked thread are about the first class seats.</p>
<p>I have never seen a person sleeping on a tray table. Live and learn.</p>
<p>Seems to me that if a person in front wants to recline and sleep and the person behind them wants to sit upright and work, the easiest solution is for them to swap seats. Of course, that only works if the next person up doesn’t want to recline…</p>
<p>Perhaps the answer is for people who want to work on airplanes, thus turning their seat area into a business location, to buy business seats. Or for them to actually put their laptop on their lap. (It is possible to buy one of those heat-diffusing things.) Or buy a smaller device for the purpose. Other travelers should not, IMHO, be expected to accommodate them if it means being uncomfortable, especially on long flights.</p>
<p>Most airline income comes from business travelers. Most companies won’t pay for business class anymore- especially on domestic flights. I usually like to spend some time on the flight working (and that way I can expense the in-flight wifi charge…) but I do it on an iPad so if someone reclines, I can survive. </p>
<p>Two of the three most public fights causing flights to be diverted recently were with passengers in business class, so perhaps these passengers who need to be able to work need to get their employers to buy them first class seats or adjust their expectations to whatever class of seats that they are sitting in instead of doing whatever they choose to do, wherever they are.</p>
<p>The interview which was posted about the guy who used the knee defender in defiance of the United flight attendant said he uses it when he chooses and claims that the woman threw a glass of Sprite at him and ruined his $2000 laptop. He says he will continue to use the knee defender as he sees fit. He did fly a different airline that does NOT have reclining seats on to his destination. It did not say whether or not he and/or the woman who was not ID’d who sat in front of him were banned from United flights.</p>
<h1>424 - you must have never been flying with my daughter. She puts the tray down, crosses her arms and puts her head down and sleeps on most plane trips.</h1>
<p>I fly maybe 5 or 6 times a year. Not a frequent flier but enough for me. I usually upgrade to business class whenever possible. Just last week we flew USAir and as I looked at hubby I saw that his shoulders are literally wider than the seat itself.</p>
<p>I don’t care about reclining or not, and this is no joke - why on earth do people fart on planes over and over? Go to the bathroom! I can just sit with my eyes closed, or read, so I don’t feel like I have to have a ton of room, but it is getting past ridiculous how they’re shoving us in those tiny spaces then being surprised when tempers flare.</p>
<p>What’s really wrong is starting a scuffle in a plane over almost anything, that results in the plane being grounded and every single passenger and crew member being seriously inconvenienced, at the very least. Angry people need to take a Valium before a flight.</p>
<p>I wonder if any of these people paid extra for their economy plus seats. If the airlines make you pay for these seats, and advertise it as such a wonderful spacious advantage, they create a certain expectation of added comfort. I don’t excuse the passengers’ behavior by a long shot. I’m just doing a “root cause analysis”. </p>
<p>I chuckled as I read the first two days of this thread in real time because I was traveling to and from a college visit with D, a total of 4 flights in Delta’s standard economy. I encountered almost every issue mentioned here- a last minute plane switch which changed our seats from the middle of the plane to the last row (no window, tapered side wall, stinky bathroom and non-reclining seat), an obese rowmate (who smushed himself up against the window and was clearly trying so hard to be unobtrusive that I couldn’t possibly be irritated), line jumpers upon disembarkation on a non-delayed flight, charming conversationalists, rude passengers, seat up people, seat down people. </p>
<p>Most people left the seats up for the day flights but our last flight left after 10pm and the norm seemed to be that passengers reclined on that flight in order to sleep. One thing I noticed (being hyper-aware because of this thread) was that while my seat back did recline a few inches back into the space behind me, at the same time my seat bottom slid forward into my leg space. Seemed fair.</p>
<p>“Two of the three most public fights causing flights to be diverted recently were with passengers in business class, so perhaps these passengers who need to be able to work need to get their employers to buy them first class seats or adjust their expectations to whatever class of seats that they are sitting in instead of doing whatever they choose to do, wherever they are.”</p>
<p>No, they were Economy Plus. That’s not business class. </p>
<p>I’ve found that lately, unless I want to pay an upgrade for a better seat, I’ll get assigned a seat in the back or have to select a middle seat. There often is little that is not blacked out to choose from.</p>