<p>Glocks have safeties (but not in the traditional sense of a safety button…better for law enforcement officers), but not a lot of style!</p>
<p>When there is no button to prevent firing there is no safety. The two-tiered trigger just means you need a firm pull to fire.<br>
Former Glock owner.</p>
<p>Yes, the two-tiered trigger thing. I think they have some kind of safety mechanism that prevents accidental firing if the gun is dropped, no? I’ve never shot a Glock and I’m really no expert, but I can superficially say that Glocks are just plain ugly (no offense to Glock fans, which I know are numerous!)</p>
<p>Sorry for going off on a tangent!</p>
<p>I went to the vigil for a bit tonight-
there is going to be an interfaith service tommorow
they have released the names of the victims- two were young teenage girls 
very sad and scary- so far no motive but I have my suspicions
<a href=“http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002893027_webshooter27.html[/url]”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002893027_webshooter27.html</a></p>
<p>The parents of the two girls should be charged with child neglect if they approved of the girls going to a rave that nearly certainly involves being out well past midnight and lots of drugging.</p>
<p>How tragic. </p>
<p>As a parent, it is such a fine line between being overbearing with your children and trusting them to learn how to handle freedom. I wonder where the parents of the young victims thought their kids were at 7am from the previous night’s party?</p>
<p>one of the girls was supposed to be home much earlier- but when the dance was over- her ride had disappeared- but even though her father had told her to call at anytime- she apparently didn’t want to wake him and so went to the party until the buses started running again to take her to back to bellevue
*Separated from the friends who ferried her to the rave at Capitol Hill Arts Center, she stuck with two other teenage girls from Bellevue, he said. At the end of the party, they were stranded.</p>
<p>They were invited to the blue house on East Republican Street.</p>
<p>“Whoever invited her probably felt sorry that they had to wait until six or seven (a.m.) for a bus to come by,” Kyle Moore said. “Evidently she didn’t want to call me to wake me up, which I’ve told her 50 million times: If you need me, I’m there. I don’t care what time it is.”*</p>
<p>I am not going to say I would allow my D to attend a party like that- but attending the rave is not what killed them- Kyle Huff is to blame for that</p>
<p>They have cabs in Seattle that run all night. But I don’t really want to blame the victims except for making really bad choices. As the old football coach always told his players, “nothing good happens after 2 am.”.</p>
<p>who knows why teens make the decisions they do
on another thread we have young men who were much older who apparently were involved even tangentially with a gang rape- what was going through * their* heads?</p>
<p>as someone who was a “misfit” in high school, I can understand the appeal of a “scene” that accepts everyone- even someone who stuck out as Kyle Huff did.
When you find a place where you are accepted, and you are having fun-I see lots of people making the decision to stay * just a little bit longer*</p>
<p>I have friends who are strictly middle “upper middle” class, their kids are very smart- mature kids- still they have done things like call a cab to take them to a party, when the parent hosting the sleepover- thought they were indeed * asleep*</p>
<p>I know it would “surprise” you, 
but I have done some very, very dumb things when I was a teen- It is really amazing that I am still alive to tell the tale.</p>
<p>And isn’t it interesting that I have discussions all the time with people who say parents nowdays over protect their kids- give them rides, control their comings and goings to the point that they know where they are every second- but as soon as something happens its “where were their parents?”</p>
<p>I think allowing a 14-15 year old female to go to a Rave where there are many males over 18, drugs, and the party goes until–what 4 am or so–goes well beyond over-protection. I’m pretty much on the looser is better side of things but you have to draw a line with a modicum of common sense. A kid that age should be out no later than midnight and that’s a stretch. The parent should be at the appointed place to pickup the kid if they are allowed to go and not rely on goofy friends. It was idiotic. You are playing with fire at that point.</p>
<p>I agree however I feel that blaming their parents for their deaths is like blaming the young women who apparently thought they were going to be dancing at a bachelor party for what looks like turned into “gang rape”
I think we all try and look for a reason why horrible things happen so that we can “control the situation” so that it doesn’t happen to our kids
I frankly have always been comfortable with where my kids were and what they are doing- now that my oldest is almost 24- I can’t quite say that- I certainly do not always know where she is or what she is doing- but when she was in high school I generally did.
That has earned me scorn at times from some on the board- who profess to “know” that all kids do this or that at one time or another.
But I also would argue that it depends on temprament- my oldest only participated in school activities- activities with her 4-h group or events with friends and parents from above. She didn’t have a drink till she was a senior in high school and she felt so guilty and upset about it, that I finally coaxed out of her what the matter was.( she was at an overnight in preparation for a school trip- the mother was in her room ill)</p>
<p>I agree that the parents of the young girls optimally should have known more about what was happening- but the fact that they were out all night isn’t what caused their deaths.</p>
<p>The shootings could easily have happened at 9pm as 7 am.
It wasn’t like it was a high crime neighborhood either- actually it is a pretty nice neighborhood about a block or so from Holy names, in an area of some very nice houses- the fact that the shooter had been in trouble before with weapons and the extent of his collection is much more troubling.</p>
<p>Being out all night–outside of typical sleepovers–is just ABSURD for a 14-15 year old under any conditions. There’s a reason you want to have kids home by a reasonable hour. After midnight lots more bad things tend to happen. Drunk drivers populate the roads, people do things that they would not consider in the light of day.</p>
<p>Yes the shootings might have happened anywhere at anytime but there are good solid reasons not to be out that late at that age. Guys looking at young drunk/stoned girls get ideas. If this had happened at Mcd’s at noon it would have just been a tragedy. As far as these two were concerned this was preventable.</p>
<p><a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/264456_bellevueaxie27.html[/url]”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/264456_bellevueaxie27.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.kirotv.com/news/6814314/detail.html[/url]”>http://www.kirotv.com/news/6814314/detail.html</a></p>
<p>I agree there are many things parents can do to prevent their kids from being in harms way
Is moving out of Belleuve one of them?
I grew up on the Eastside,and frankly one of the reasons why I moved to the city when I had kids , was because of accidents like these.
I knew too many people that had been killed or injured in auto accidents at a high rate of speed- right or wrong I felt like there was just too much traffic in Seattle to ever be able to get going that fast!</p>
<p>Not a spot to expect a high speed collision. I am sure drinking was at the root. I see lots of those death markers on the country roads far out on the eastside. Mostly teens. For one thing the driving age in WA is too low. Should be 17 for a permit. You can have a special 16 farm permit for the outher side of the mountains.</p>
<p>Got a chance to read the papers at lunch. 14 with a 3am curfew–are they frigging nuts?? That’s not parenting.</p>
<p>jeeus
- I *don’t have a 3 am curfew!</p>
<p>I’m now 18, and have NEVER had a curfew.
However my parents always asked the “5W’s” before I was allowed to do stuff - and if they didn’t like the sounds of it, forget it.</p>
<p>Seattle Times today had an excellent look at Raves in Seattle. It’s worse than I even thought. I was too gentle on parents who allow their underage kids to go to these things. They should be CHARGED with contributing to the delinquency of a minor and child neglect. They are responsible for putting their kids in a dangerous situation. </p>
<p>Read it and weep,</p>
<p><a href=“http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002905227_garfield.html[/url]”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002905227_garfield.html</a></p>
<p>Did you notice that the article is written by teens @ Garfield?
I have to say that in general I am impressed with the type of reporting in their high school paper- they have also written articles about teen drinking and sexual activitiy.
Contrast that to the high school I attended, student paper where an column criticzing the decision to allow a controversial and bigoted church to operate on school property and pressuring teachers to attend was yanked.</p>
<p>Yes, and it was well done. When you read something like that the first question that pops in your head–especially regarding the very young girls dressed in sheer underwear–Where are their parents?? Now we know–enabling.</p>