<p>What in the world is a “Rave Party?”. 7 young people ended up getting shot dead, at a “Rave Party” whose theme was “Better Off Undead”. EmeraldKity, what is your take on this; I have never heard of it on the East Coast…</p>
<p>Actually, I have heard of rave parties. Supposedly, they involve booze and drugs. Raving with glow sticks (making designs in the air with glow sticks like the light sabers in Star Wars) is part of the entertainment, supposedly. My S enjoys raving with glow sticks but has never attended a rave party.</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave_party[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave_party</a></p>
<p>I think I really do live in the sticks because I have never heard of this before. Definitely not the scene here in rural Vermont. I’m getting happier by the moment that we raised the kids in the backwoods :). I know Emeraldkity posted an article about a mom whose 15 year old D attended this event and after party all night and I can’t imagine my high school kids out at some place like this all night long. Totally opposite of what they did and were allowed to do in high school.</p>
<p>Oh boy, I guess my family is rather sheltered. It seems as if glowsticks are used in conjunction with Ecstacy to enhance one’s experience??? I can never view glowsticks the same way ever again :(</p>
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<p>I’m even more sheltered…the only use of glowsticks in my neck of the woods was trick or treating on Halloween!</p>
<p>Maybe it’s my England connection, but I’ve known about raves for at least a decade…</p>
<p>As I said, my S likes raving with glowsticks. He learned about this at CTY. But he’s never been to a party where booze and drugs were served, much less a rave party.</p>
<p>At his prefrosh weekend, he went to a raving party. It seemed to be mostly Asian-Americans (least likely to drink and do drugs) and it really was about dancing about with glowsticks! :)</p>
<p>Ive heard of raves- I think they have been around for about 20 years, but I have never been to one or known somone who has been into that “scene”
My kids like more folky grungey rock, rather than electronica.
( I actually can’t stand most electronic music)</p>
<p>I would think drugs would have to be involved, because otherwise I can’t imagine staying up so late, but then again I haven’t been able to stay up all night without severe repercussions the next day for many years 
From reading the seattle/portland live journal, it sounds like the “rave scene” is multilayered and complex with names and alteregos, but composed of very peaceful people for the most part.
But I am really pretty clueless about it- all I know is that it started in warehouses and was pretty firm about not allowing alcohol because often the under 21 contingent was pretty large-
I think glowsticks are pretty cool myself- but never had heard about the connection with raves till now-</p>
<p>The seattle police have arrested someone apparently in connection with the murders and seized multiple weapons ammo etc out of a north seattle apt where two brothers apparently lived, one brother sounds like he was the shooter at the Capitol hill house</p>
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<p>I don’t have an England connection, but I have known about these for several years as well. I took a class a few years ago (required for anyone who is trying to get certified as a CADC----which I never did, though) and learned more of the specifics. Mostly they are tied to ecstacy which kids take and then like to have the glow sticks. It alters the way the see the glow sticks and they think it’s cool. Also some of them have been known to O.D. on water because the ecstacy makes them so thirsty.</p>
<p>I attended a program a few years ago given by an undercover DEA agent. It was very interesting and informative.</p>
<p>Raves are everywhere. In addition to ecstacy (MDMA, a hallucinogen), other popular drugs include GHB (date rape drug, also called liquid E and fantasy), ketamine (anesthetic, also called special K), and oxycontin (prescription narcotic, causing euphoria). Kids may use infant pacifiers while on ecstacy to protect their teeth from the excessive grinding movements that can occur. There are also some little combination mouthguard/oral glowsticks that kids can get. Raves can last two or three days. The job of the “security” people are not to protect the participants, but to protect the rave. If your kid drops over and looks like they might die, no ambulance will be called. Your kid will be driven some distance and dumped in the woods.</p>
<p>Although it doesn’t pertain to raves, I remember the speaker saying that parents should look out for wrist sweatbands and hair scrunchies. Kids saturate these with inhalants and sniff them intermittantly. Weird. </p>
<p>I’m sure that somebody here can offer more information than I can; I really don’t know too much about raves. I do know this: always know where your kids are, and never allow them to go to an “under 21” club. While they may not technically be “raves” and not serve alcohol, they are full of illegal drugs and can be dangerous.</p>
<p>wrist sweatbands and hair scruncies?
What if your daughter has a ponytail and is on the track team;)</p>
<p>I agree with the checking out the under 21 clubs- I went to one “private club” before I was 21- I stayed long enough to drink one really disgusting glass of cheap white wine and made my friends take me back to my car
*The Monastery. Opening in a former church as a teen center, the Monastery quickly got into serious trouble, developing major problems with drug use and pimps, he said. They were pushing drugs, taking advantage of runaways and recruiting prostitutes out of there, said Cari Simson, Framework Productions co-founder. *</p>
<p>However the guy that ran that was a real sleeze bucket- the newer venues are more about the music, than a front to get teens into porn and prostituition.</p>
<p>All ages clubs are very popular and we need more of them- teens need safe, fun places to go.
<a href=“http://www.thefalcononline.com/story/5142[/url]”>http://www.thefalcononline.com/story/5142</a></p>
<p>Hair scrunchies…worn on the wrists rather than the back of the head.</p>
<p>I dunno that sounds like an urban legend to me</p>
<p>Emeraldkity- I’m in complete agreement w/you about the need for more all-ages shows. My D and niece go regularly, and the locations that sponsor them are very diligent about keeping them drug/alcohol free. It’s a back to the basics way for the bands to market themselves too. They sell CD’s and shirts at all the shows.D has seen bands come from the west coast and all across the country. D and N are active in promoting the shows for their fav bands (flyers and banners) so they’ve learned a lot about marketing too! We’ve even had one band stay at our house while they were performing in this area. Although I won’t claim that there aren’t kids who come to the shows already drunk, I’ve been to them myself (after all, it’s ALL ages;))and I can attest that the venues themselves keep anything contraband out. Usual age range is 13-20 at our local shows. I asked D about the raves, she said she could find out more about them if I would let her stay out late enough to go to one. Not gonna happen! She said most of the raves she’s heard about from her crowd were techno-dance parties with flashing bellybutton lights and glow sticks, but didn’t know anything about the X or other drugs.</p>
<p>ravers flock to web for news
<a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/264374_shootingraves25ww.html?source=rss[/url]”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/264374_shootingraves25ww.html?source=rss</a></p>
<p>emeraldkity, why would I make this up? I am simply passing on information I have. Inhalants are very popular with younger teens. How many parents responded to the choking game deaths with disbelief that such a thing went on. Well, it went on, both in my neighborhood and in your neighborhood. Good kids, too. I seriously doubt that the DEA agent who worked his whole life in undercover drug work would lie in a presentation to doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other health professionals. Of course, maybe you are suggesting that I am the one lying? </p>
<p>Here’s another tip that you may or may not consider to be urban legend, courtesy of DEA agent. Kids who roam the malls have subtle hand signals indicating if they want to buy drugs or have drugs to sell. I watched after I learned that, and I saw the signals he spoke of. There are tons more. I think it is a mistake for parents to assume that bad stuff only goes on “somewhere else”. I trust my kids, but not blindly. :)</p>
<p>no I didn’t say you were making it up- but it does sound like an urban legend- I was looking on line for some info that it happens but wasn’t able to find any-
what sort of things would they use?
I am not really familar with inhalants, but it was my impression that propellants are disbursed through the air pretty rapidly, so I don’t think spraying something on a hair band to be sniffed later, would have much effect.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html[/url]”>http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html</a></p>
<p>I am sorry butI found this to be funny
*Before the shooting, the agent was videotaped talking about how certain weapons are popular with rap artists.
“This is a Glock 40,” the agent said on the tape. “Fifty Cent, Too Short, all of them talk about a Glock 40, OK?,” he said. “I’m the only one in this room professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40.”</p>
<p>Seconds later, the agent shot himself in the foot.*</p>
<p>Have to be careful with the Glocks–no safety.</p>
<p>It looks like when the rave location fell through another was arranged- same building where my D went to school at one point.
I don’t think there was any more connection to the deaths to the rave than if the shooter had attended the symphony with aquaintances earlier and then returned to fire on them. He had no criminal record.
<a href=“http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0613/shootings2.php[/url]”>http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/0613/shootings2.php</a></p>