Second Ebola patient

<p>scholarme, Lost 9? Do you have a link for that? From what I’ve heard, they’ve lost exactly one, in 3 or 4 decades of working in Africa. So I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that DWB knows more about how Ebola is spread than we do.</p>

<p>But we don’t have to take their word for it. How many people who are being treated now outside of Africa, or have been treated outside of Africa, caught the disease from casual contact in a public place like a bowling alley or an Uber car or a bridal shop? None. In every case, the victim was either IN the hot zone, or doing end-stage medical treatment.</p>

<p>The bowling alley was not forced to shut down. That was a choice.</p>

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<p>The cameraman doesn’t know where he picked up the virus. But he was working in the hot zone, meaning LOTS of people who were in the late stages of the sickness. The bowling alley in New Jersey is not a hot zone.</p>

<p>It’s true that the 10,000 ebola cases in Africa are not HCW. They are people living in a place where the health care system has collapsed. Unlike NYC, victims cannot be rushed into isolation the moment they break a fever. They are being cared for at home. The loved ones can’t isolate them. The loved ones don’t have PPEs. So the loved ones are exposed to late-stage bodily fluids. And that is how ebola is spread – exposure to late-stage bodily fluids. </p>

<p>No one at the bowling alley was exposed to late-stage bodily fluids.</p>

<p>If early-stage infected people are so very dangerous, why did none of Duncan’s family get sick (and he was WELL past early-stage by the time he was finally admitted to the hospital)? Why did none of Ms. Vinson’s co-passengers get sick? Why has no one in the bridal shop gotten sick? </p>

<p>LasMa, closing the bowling alley wasn’t really a choice. The Health Department wanted it closed and plans to do an official inspection today in an abundance of caution. If the Health Department asks you to something, it’s an open question as to whether it is voluntary. </p>

<p>No, I’d say if the Health Dept orders something most of us consider it mandatory. </p>

<p>I saw a NYC health official last night, who said the bowling alley’s decision to close was their own. Not the city’s. </p>

<p>I suspect he was wrong in the early hours of finding out this news. The bowling alley was requested to close for a day and an official inspection scheduled. I think that is also i nthe bowling alley’s best interests and it should be open in plenty of time for tonight.</p>

<p>There has been so much misinfo with press, hard to know what to believe re bowling alley and even sick NYC doc. Am sure there will be economic costs related to this new NYC case–who should bear vs who will bear them?</p>

<p>There is no question but that the health department inspection of the bowling alley will be held today and its results announced. </p>

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<p>And obviously, DWB doesn’t know enough. Or at least its trained physicians don’t know enough to protect themselves from getting the virus. </p>

<p>Nina had a news conference and is going home to Dallas and will be reunited with dog Bently after his quarantine ends 11/1. She tested negative 5x for Ebola!</p>

<p><a href=“Ebola-Free Nurse Nina Pham Visits President Obama - ABC News”>http://abcnews.go.com/Health/nurse-nina-pham-contracted-ebola-now-virus-free/story?id=26406480&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Again, Bay, there have been zero cases of someone getting the disease from being in the same public space with a non-symptomatic person. There have been zero cases of someone getting the disease from being in the same public space with an early-stage person. And in fact, there have been zero cases of someone getting the disease from being in the same public OR private space with a mid-stage person (Duncan’s family, the other patients and HCW who were exposed to him at his fist ER visit).</p>

<p>I would think this fact would be reassuring to people.</p>

<p>That is great news!</p>

<p>I read something that I found interesting and, if this is inappropriate, the post should be removed.</p>

<p>Researchers have found that Ebola can survive in semen for months, but doesn’t seem to be transmissible by sexual contact through semen after a man has recovered – even though the virus is still present.</p>

<p>That is interesting. Do you have a cite, zoos?</p>

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<p>And neither does anyone else. Its just conjecture. </p>

<p>I do think that it seems that the spread is not super virulent, but it would be useful if people who know they are at risk for the disease could sacrifice some of their time in favor of the well-being of others. Its a big pain in the tail to do these retroactive reconstructions and quarantines and monitors. </p>

<p>It’d be refreshing if officials would admit they don’t know things. They won’t. Because they actually believe they know. In the meantime, people are going to act to keep themselves safe, to the best of their ability. </p>

<p>We need more freak outs so property values drop in Manhattan so my son will be able afford to buy a place.</p>

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<p>Zero cases out of 4. Very comforting, indeed.</p>

<p>Cardinal Fang, here’s the link for the period where the virus survives. I can’t find the article I read about it not having been transmitted through sexual contact yet, but I’ll keep looking. I’ve been reading a lot in the last week and can’t remember where I saw that. It will come back to me! <a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html”>http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Do you Stark – with that logic we need a few cases in San Francisco!</p>

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<p>My daughter sent me a link today with seven full minutes of video of Bently in quarantine. He looks pretty darned happy. Nice interview with one of the veterinary team members who is taking care of him. He really looks a lot like my avatar picture to the left, but has more white on his body than mine does. He was also playing with the exact same toy that is one of my dog’s favorites.</p>

<p>I wonder what toy that is. My dogs only seem to be interested in ones that have taste to them, edible or not. I like all the red on your dog, it looks very luxurious.</p>