<p>zooser, Nebraska is a special hospital with level 3 training. Just like Atlanta. To say since Atlanta and Nebraska could do it, every other hospital should too is like saying since special forces can take down Osama Ben Laden, evrey other soldier should too. Can you imagine what that could do to the moral of regular army personnel?</p>
<p>Sorry but post 497 makes no sense, igloo. All hospitals have to be prepared to deal with infectious diseases. Acquiring additonal supplies and training has to be their responsibility even if it dips into their precious bottom line.</p>
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<p>How about this basic leadership concept: If you do not actually know, then stop saying you are in control and that you are leading something!! Real leaders get things done; they do not make up what they hoped were done. Hoping is not leadership, as any idiot can hope. </p>
<p>If you say everything is in place, if you say everyone is trained, if you say you are ready, and if you say there is nothing to be concerned about, a real CEO actually knows that is the case. Every other CEO I know would be fired instantly if he went out and made public proclamations not knowing if these were true only to find out he made it up. It is called fabricating. He DID NOT know, yet said it were the case that they were on top of it. </p>
<p>Can you imagine the CEO of Apple announcing a new iPad is coming in on Saturday, without really knowing if it were true? If it turned out false, he would be fired in 15 minutes. And iPads can be excused because their non-existence would not hurt anyone physically. However, here the CDC chief is using real people’s lives, as his poker chips. </p>
<p>Absolutely amazing - a CEO never confirming if what he asked for was ever completed, yet saying it was done, and some people actually get that as being excusable and understandable. </p>
<p>If people get this as acceptable CEO SOP, we have truly defined “leadership” downwards. But, it also explains why real CEOs get paid the seriously big bucks, as they really have to produce. </p>
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<p>Great point. I was afraid to say that loud. But I don’t think we have choice but to continue to care for. Or maybe someone could come up at what point they can do mercy killing? Not all that different from end-of-life care.</p>
<p>"It’s hardly a partnership if CDC issues directives that are hard for hospitals to follow and blame hospitals for their mistakes/negligence. Hospitals can’t even refuse the patient whether they are ready or not. That’s more like a dictatorship.’</p>
<p>Why weren’t they ready? CDC issued preparedness guidelines back in August. Why did hospitals not start training then and purchasing the necessary equipment they would need? Why didn’t the Texas Dept. of Health work with the hospitals in their state to prepare? Why didn’t the Texas Dept. of Health have a plan for what to do if a case of Ebola happened in their state? Why didn’t they designate specific hospitals in each region of the state as Ebola centers and make sure those hospitals had the necessary training and equipment to handle Ebola? </p>
<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/faced-ebola-us-medics-clamor-hazmat-suits-000326858.html”>http://news.yahoo.com/faced-ebola-us-medics-clamor-hazmat-suits-000326858.html</a></p>
<p>According to this article, 74% of nurses say their hospital has not briefed them on how to deal with possible ebola patients. This is the hospital’s responsibility.</p>
<p>Did CDC consult hospitals if their guidelines were practical and something they can implement?</p>
<p>Thats ridiculous. An emergency recieving facility has to be prepared for emergencies.</p>
<p>And as was said pages ago, in the case of the first ebola victim, there may have been excessive measures done in an attempt to keep him alive because (a) they werent experienced with the status of organs in a late stage ebola patient, (b) they wanted to do everything they could to keep him alive and © there is a $$$ cost to losing a patient they initially misdiagnosed.</p>
<p>Did CDC tell hospitals they’d need 6 week training of their staff? And provide necessary expertise?I usually ignore if any guideline is out of the question. </p>
<p>If you tell your kid to wear a helmet when he rides a bike and he says he can’t afford one, will you modify your recommendation to tell him to wear a baseball cap? Sorry but the argument is simply ludicrous.</p>
<p>"Did CDC consult hospitals if their guidelines were practical and something they can implement? "</p>
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<p>I don’t understand. CDC issued what hospitals needed to do to be prepared for Ebola. There is no easy way around the procedures that need to be followed. </p>
<p>Nina Pham’s GoFundMe has raised almost $25k in one day. I wonder if the second healthcare worker with ebola will get her own GoFundMe campaign going to pay for expenses that are not part of insurance coverage (replacing everything in the apartment, meals and hotel and travel for family, boarding for any pets, student loan payments, rent, lost time at work for family members).</p>
<p>deleted. Agree, scholarme.</p>
<p>You are saying the recommendations could be" too much" for the hospital so the CDC is supposed to modify the recommendation. Thats ridiculous.</p>
<p>And you can’t tell the patient in the Er to leave because you cant buy the helmet. You can prevent your kid form getting on the bike. As zoos said above, you have to deal with the emergency that presents when its there. Its up to the hospital to won responsibility to prepare appropriately in advance. What are you gonna do- put a sign on your hospital ER door that says “if you have ebola, go away”?</p>
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<p>I think the safety of the healthcare workers should definitely take precedence at that point. Futile care is OFTEN not taken on for various reasons. I think the notion that the hospital was trying to do EVERYTHING to save him was why those interventions were done. I’m sure that is being re-evaluated.</p>
<p>“You’d buy it yourself and give it the kid.”</p>
<p>The State of Texas should be the funding source. </p>
<p>I hate saying this but could we get back on topic so this thread stays open?
It will be very frustrating not to have a thread to keep up with the top news story because people are arguing about bike helmets now.
Obviously on one side we have CDC critics. On the other side we have CDC defenders.
Can’t we just leave it at that and accept that no one is going to be swayed from their position?</p>
<p>Both nurses have a heckuva worker’s compensation claim against the hospital. </p>
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<p>First of all, CDC guidelines were inadequate as voiced by many doctors and demonstrated by Dr Gupta. Secondly, you can’t just issue an impossible guidelines and expect they will be followed without as ssiting.</p>
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<p>Well, there you go. Someone who expects others should pay for what they think they are entitled to. </p>
<p>There is no law that all hospitals handle everything. Why in the world would cancer hospitals, for example, need infectious disease units? And why would smaller community hospitals, which serve the most of the country actually, need infectious disease units that would rarely if ever get used? That would be a waste of resources. Hey, let’s have a fire station on every couple blocks too.</p>
<p>Anyway, the emergency purchases expected cannot be made by the mid-sized and smaller community and municipal hospitals because they cannot spend money unless appropriated by the city counsel. And no emergency fund is large enough to handle what is being asked for here.</p>
<p>It does seem lost on too many that money is finite. And the problem is not dipping into the bottom line; the problem is bankruptcy and the end result of having no hospital at all. Then everyone in the entire community loses. </p>