<p>“Between the idiocy of his riding the bus statements,…”</p>
<p>So do you believe you can catch Ebola from sitting next to someone who has Ebola but is asymptomatic? </p>
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<p>Unlike you, I reserve the right to question anyone who says they are leading anything and do not follow blindly. Especially so for elected officials, since those elected officials and people they appoint work for me, not me for them. Since they work for me, I can question openly. That is why I do not find criticism of the CDC, as political.</p>
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<p>And I have never asked anyone to follow me either. </p>
<p>And neither as frugaldoctor asked anyone to follow him - he carefully and clearly presents his positions and people can choose to agree or not. His posts are awesome, even when I disagree. You do not get better engagement than he provides, but engagement is not the same as automatic agreement or the same as being the best solutions, as there are other valid points of view, some which may be better.</p>
<p>Personally, I get worried when people follow me because it means they have stopped thinking and cannot further intellectually contribute to going forward with something better cause they are just following. My board meetings are open and I love being challenged, and if I cannot defend my decisions, then I have a problem. Bring on the tough questions is my motto.</p>
<p>Re: post #918.</p>
<p>The person who shows the symptom was a student researcher just back from somewhere (Liberia?) in Africa.</p>
<p>I admit that I am a very paranoid parent. As such, I would never suggest to my child to go to such a place for whatever purpose. I have never understood why so many students these days are so eager to go abroad for study. (Actually, among the private colleges, I believe relatively fewer percentage of students at Yale College participate the study abroad - for whatever the reason it may be (but still a lot.) But in this case, it is likely a student researcher (a grad student?) who was doing research for a research lab, likely not a typical “happily study abroad” college student.)</p>
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So you don’t know what I’m talking about. You can always ask.
I’m not talking about transmission or catching anything. I am talking about the idiocy of the statement made yesterday that directly contradicts itself. My whole post was about the role of the CDC in educating and informing the public, not about the spread of disease.</p>
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<p>And he has asked people to follow him, and many are. Yikes!!</p>
<p>News conference on the Yale patient at 12:30.</p>
<p>Another article stated that the student researchers were setting up a computer system in Liberia to track the outbreak and had no contact with Ebola patients. They volunteered to go into self-quarantine when they returned but Yale and the CDC said that was not necessary. So we’ll see.</p>
<p>Dr. Frieden first said you can’t catch Ebola from sitting on a bus. Then he subsequently said that infected/exposed people should not use public transportation because of the risk of infecting others.</p>
<p>What do you think, emilybee? Can someone get Ebola from taking a bus?</p>
<p>“So you don’t know what I’m talking about.”</p>
<p>Yes, I do. </p>
<p>"I think there are two different parts of that equation,” he continued. “The first is, if you’re a member of the traveling public and are healthy, should you be worried that you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone? And the answer is no.”</p>
<p>“Second, if you are sick and you may have Ebola, should you get on a bus? And the answer to that is also no. You might become ill, you might have a problem that exposes someone around you,” he said."</p>
<p><a href=“http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cdc-you-can-give-can-t-get-ebola-bus”>http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cdc-you-can-give-can-t-get-ebola-bus</a></p>
<p>NBC is reporting through a source that Nina Pham is going to be moved to NIH in Maryland. </p>
<p>It’s a sad thing that the CDC has lost the trust of the public over this. I think a majority of people expected the CDC to be competent and no nonsense when it comes to dealing with a deadly contagious disease in America. Certainly they’re “we’re ready” statements months ago were reassuring.
Now we are seeing communities basically ignoring them and deciding on their own “overabundance of caution” actions. Potential epidemics require coordination and a clear chain of command, and CDC had that role by default, but they threw it away.</p>
<p>“What do you think, emilybee? Can someone get Ebola from taking a bus?”</p>
<p>No, I don’t believe someone can get Ebola from taking public transportation - whether on a bus or plane. I doubt there will be anyone who will get Ebola who was on that plane with the 2nd nurse. Do you think someone will? </p>
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<h1>3 – Ebola will still get out of the affected countries, but it will be much harder to track it.</h1>
<h1>4 – It will hasten the economic collapse of the affected countries.</h1>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/30/hit-by-ebola-liberia-is-descending-into-economic-hell/”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/30/hit-by-ebola-liberia-is-descending-into-economic-hell/</a>
<a href=“http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2014/10/01/ebola-could-cause-economic-collapse-guineas-president-warns/”>http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2014/10/01/ebola-could-cause-economic-collapse-guineas-president-warns/</a></p>
<p>Why should you care about that? Well, there’s the humanitarian aspect – the suffering and death of thousands or potentially millions of souls. With collapsing infrastructure, there will be famine and deaths from other more treatable diseases. If that doesn’t matter, there’s the problem of rising prices of things like rubber and aluminum. And if even that doesn’t matter, collapsing countries mean destabilization. That comes back to bite us.</p>
<p>The bunker mentality is understandable, but ineffective. The best way to protect ourselves is to stop the outbreak. It is in our own best interest to pour money, people and resources into those countries as fast as it will go.</p>
<p>This what Dr Friedan said about taking a bus:</p>
<p><a href=“Flip-flopping health officials spread Ebola confusion – Boston Herald”>http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/10/flip_flopping_health_officials_spread_ebola_confusion</a>
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<p>Is Dr. Frieden’s advice wrong then?</p>
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<p>I agree, as long as an infected person does not sit next to you. </p>
<p>But what if an infected person ignores the CDC chief’s advice below (like the self-quarantined doctor who went for soup), boards a bus / plane and does sit next you and rubs up against other passengers too, which is normal for buses and planes? </p>
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<p>If you still believe you are safe in the above situation when an infected person ignores the above advice, then we have vastly different definitions for words in the English language re whether one can catching it on a bus or plane.</p>
<p>Are people going a bit overboard now? </p>
<p>Some schools are closing because students or staff were on the same plane as the second nurse:</p>
<p>See this: <a href=“Obama May Name ‘Czar’ to Oversee Ebola Response - The New York Times”>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/17/us/amber-joy-vinson-flight-causes-concern.html</a></p>
<p>I’m hoping that Nina Pham is well enough to be moved. I imagine that the reason for moving her is the inability or unwillingness of the TX hospital to treat her. I’m glad that Amber Vinson was immediately taken to Emory, when her symptoms were still mild. It will be beyond awful if these young women don’t survive.</p>
<p>I’m wondering how much the experimental drug had to do with the two missionaries’ recovery. I read somewhere that Nancy Writebol’s family was making funeral plans. </p>
<p>Someone above wondered whether Nancy Snyderman will lose her job as MSNBC’s medical expert. I hope so. I’m sure that breaking the quarantine did not expose anyone to Ebola, but apparently there has been some fallout. I’ve read that the restaurant has lost most of their customers. If this is true, then cooks, waiters, dishwasher, are losing income. Why couldn’t she have had the food delivered, or picked up by a taxi?</p>
<p>Duncan travelled on several different planes. Have any of the hundreds of other passengers on those flights gotten Ebola? No.</p>
<p>For that matter, several people lived in a small apartment with Duncan for days when he was quite sympomatic. Have any of those people gotten Ebola? No.</p>
<p>^^ Closing schools because some students or teachers were on the same flight or plane as the infected nurse - could be overreacting to an observer. But if it’s your kid that attends that school, then it’s just “an overabundance of caution.”</p>
<p>Just saw this on twitter - Nurse Pham is being moved to NIH in Bethesda, MD.
It’s good that she’s strong enough to move.</p>